Anonapersona Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 No I was talking about the rise in nationalism so social media has no influence on mainstream politics as evidenced by the vote on Friday. Your whole argument is ludicrous and wrong - lost the vote, remember? You type stuff that has nothing to do with what people are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Tom Devine > A troll on a fitba forum who doesn't post about fitba. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 There are also so many No voters that just want things to go back to the way they were, to crawl back under whatever comfort blanket they need, and to forget about the big nasty world of politics. This is why they buckled so easily and ate it all up. There aren't enough enquiring minds, people that want to actually get under the surface and have a truly informed opinion, even out of a lot of Yes voters. This is basically what won it for No. A general public that believes everything it reads in the papers. What a fucking shocking indictment of our own people. ^^^bullying, bluster and scaremongering^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 ^^^bullying, bluster and scaremongering^^^ Wit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Jagsfan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 You think that Salmond would have been able to walk away do you? BS. Another one of his many stories that would have meant a U turn. The UK Treasury had previously stated that it would be responsible for all UK debt which had been issued, which would have included all of the Gilts and also all of your Premium Bonds! Alex Salmond would have used that as a negotiating tool: you let us share sterling, we will take on some of the debt. There was no obligation to take any share of the debt, the Treasury confirmed its position on that ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I know we shouldn't laugh, but at least we're not Wales. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/24/3-per-cent-back-welsh-independence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I know we shouldn't laugh, but at least we're not Wales. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/24/3-per-cent-back-welsh-independence Oh, Wales The most subjugated country in the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I'm not seeing one little bit of anything being proven regarding this 'vow'. Are you seriously suggesting that any of this will happen and that we should have faith in this process? And that it's not actually a big pile of lat minute, panicky, manipulative shite? Are you seriously asking that I have faith in this? I don't stand with WM tell me. I know that politicians obfuscate the truth. My point is that that's what Salmond has managed to do without anyone from the Yes side questioning him. I have as much faith in them as I do in Salmond except that Salmond hadn't a clue what he was doing and a lot of what he said was being countered by practically every one. That's why he started on the "them" and "us" tactic which seems to have worked. You know what? You're right. What does Tom Devine know anyway? Tom Devine is an historian. Not a politician although the way he selectively applies definitions and adapts them suggests he has leanings towards this. You type stuff that has nothing to do with what people are saying. Like this? vvvv Tom Devine > A troll on a fitba forum who doesn't post about fitba. Imo. The UK Treasury had previously stated that it would be responsible for all UK debt which had been issued, which would have included all of the Gilts and also all of your Premium Bonds! Alex Salmond would have used that as a negotiating tool: you let us share sterling, we will take on some of the debt. There was no obligation to take any share of the debt, the Treasury confirmed its position on that ages ago. Ok so the treasury confirmed everything that Alex said? Nope. BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I am beeling I've condensed all that down for you. Typical No voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I know we shouldn't laugh, but at least we're not Wales. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/24/3-per-cent-back-welsh-independence That's probably the same percentage that feel their Assembly is worthwhile. Once again, they can thank Labour for that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSAFalkirkFirm Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 It's also tedious the way that "eminent" historians like him are brought out to ensure that "we've nothing to do with that type of nationalism, we're guid nationalists". Nationalism is nationalism I'll say again. The N in SNP stands for National, not nationalist. You can live in denial of the hooligan riot that your Nationalists caused the other night but anyone with a beating heart knows that the Vanguard Bears and Scottish Nationals are about as similar as a Labrador and a Wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I'll say again. The N in SNP stands for National, not nationalist. You can live in denial of the hooligan riot that your Nationalists caused the other night but anyone with a beating heart knows that the Vanguard Bears and Scottish Nationals are about as similar as a Labrador and a Wolf. The Vanguard Bears represent the intellect of this post. Just because Tom Devine has decided that the term Civic Nationalism is only purely representative of the SNP, I should accept that. The Tories are also representative of civic nationalism you clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The Vanguard Bears represent the intellect of this post. Just because Tom Devine has decided that the term Civic Nationalism is only purely representative of the SNP, I should accept that. The Tories are also representative of civic nationalism you clown Do you genuinely believe you are more knowledgable than Tom Devine on this subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sir Tom Devine* Lady Banterous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Nationalism actually. I'm uninterested if they were "civic" nationalists or whatever other p**h Tom Devine is spouting these days It's also tedious the way that "eminent" historians like him are brought out to ensure that "we've nothing to do with that type of nationalism, we're guid nationalists". Nationalism is nationalism Who's the nationalist here? You're the one with the Brit flag in your avatar. Or is British nationalism somehow different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Lady Banterous Never at any time Who's the nationalist here? You're the one with the Brit flag in your avatar. Or is British nationalism somehow different? No. I'm a social conservative actually with a distrust of politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Never at any time No. I'm a social conservative actually with a distrust of politicians. Social Conservative? Is that what dickheads call themselves these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taza Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Social Conservative? Is that what dickheads call themselves these days? Shit. I thought it stood for Selfish, spineless, stupid, racist, sectarian bigot. Is that the same as a dickhead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Shit. I thought it stood for Selfish, spineless, stupid, racist, sectarian bigot. Is that the same as a dickhead? Where's the evidence? Ahhhh yes like that sh**e paper that Alex wrote. Please feel free to cite examples of the above in any of my previous posts. If not........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Tomorrow's Daily Mail... Scottish National Party set to privatise more of the National Health Service by signing a deal with a US pharmaceutical firm. So, yeah, that's apparently happening. No drama's. Move along now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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