G-MAN Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If yes had won would any yes voter ever have been allowed to complain about a Scottish Government decision? Yes, because we voted for change. We never voted for a political party. You voted to stay the same and keep the idiots who dont give a f**k about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I've two degrees and voted Yes. You are a simpleton and voted No. That's a very patronising post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I can't bring myself to look at BBC news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vierterstern Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 It´s a joke tbh and you will probably and hopefully never ever be regarded as a unique, pride and brave(-heart) nation again. I have been travelling to Scotland since I am 16 years old "wee" boy (even adapted parts of your language at times), being a huge Scotland fan and loved your country, culture, people and history to bits. No more. You don´t deserve to be called a Nation nor do you deserve to be called "proud" You are spine less and a disgrace to other independence movements around the world in the history of mankind. What a sorry excuse of a country you are. Stop pretending to be anything else than northern english lapdogs. Other nations would give all they got to have a referendum and the smug cowards blew it all away. Yesterday was the end of Scotland , the end of your incredible reputation world wide (I can speak for Germany, France, Holland etc.). People will be appalled by your slavish subservience. Oh an yes, please delete my account and throw me off your message board. I know the pattern of discussion on here and I know that at best my comment will be ignored. But deep down inside you know you´re not the same Scotland anymore. No respect for you anmyore. ...feeling better now after my rant. Shame on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelt67 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Time to pull together folks. Whether you like it or not the majority of Scots think we can make the Union work. Let's make the best of what we have and try to produce a modern democratic multinational state we can be proud of. Whilst there will be people who do believe that, albeit a misguided faith in the Union in my opinion, I think the majority of No voters either done so thanks to fear mongering, believed the lies they are now "promising" us, their personal bigotries or their bottle crashing at the last minute. The people have spoken and all that, we have the results, we need to deal with it and move forward, but I fear the worse, I fear this will be open season on Scotland from those who claimed we are Better Together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlandoblue Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 of course, what a stupid comment. Read the full context please ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think, at the end of the day, the two choices come with consequences. For Yes, the opportunity of building a new Scotland would always come with the risks associated with establishing a new nation. For No, the chance to retain short to medium term stability will actually be at the cost of diminishing Scotland, and further skewing what laughably passes for UK democracy. In a practical sense, I have no problem with folk voting for the option that would leave them better off financially, in all likliehood, I didn't. I also can't deny those who see themselves as British above all else, a perfectly valid viewpoint to take. Those who think though, that No is a path to all the power with none of the risks, should have their membership cards for the human race torn up. In a practical sense, Number 10 was talking about merely an extension of existing powers. What was outlined during the campaign was the meanest of devolution settlements, a portion or all of income tax - but with a corresponding cut in the block grant by the same amount, leaving any notional Scottish government either running hard to stand still, not daring ever to cut it, and not wanting to cause a flight of capital out of Scotland by raising it without being able to offset that against other fiscal levers. This in turn will be sold to the electorate alongside a resolution of the 'West Lothian question'. In other words the exclusion of Scottish MPs from English only matters. Yet any debate that affects public expenditure in the UK has a knock on effect to the size of the block grant graciously gifted Holyrood by Westminster. So any resolution to that consitutional quirk that freezes out scottish MPs could easily end up diluting what little influence Scotland has on the size of it's budget. That is of course, predicated on getting this 'faster, safer' change (but not better change?) through a Westminster parliament that has no reason to fear Scottish consequences. What are we going to do, threaten to secede? It's also the case that in order to secure a 'faster' change there will be little consultation with 'civic Scotland' over the make up of this Devo-whatever. It'll be a change driven by Westminster spads, and passed through a parliament with no reason to fear a scottish backlash. The Labour party may end up the big loser in this. Those areas that did go Yes last night happen to be their heartlands, has their miserabalist and negative campaign done lasting damage amongst their core support? I know certainly on a personal level that my utter contempt for the former party of the people has grown to the point where I will never vote for the fuckers again, under any circumstances (and thus they join the Tories on that list). Doubt they'll miss me, but if that sentiment is wide enough they may have done some lasting damage. I've always believed that politics has the ability to transform people's lives for the better. Granted, this is more of a theoretical proposition than based on any practical observation of the effect. Cynicism is easy, it allows you to distance yourself from the politicians who you see as troughing b*****ds while simultaneously absolving yourself of the responsibility for change. It means they can do what the f**k they like while not giving a crap about actually trying to improve the lot of those they technically are meant to serve. So that's no good. Independence was a once only put up or shut up event. In the event we elected to shut up,as it were. That's democracy. I don't know how I'm going to not get cynical, but I'm going to try, because whoever wins next year, it's going to be a variation on a right wing rent-a-suit trying to protect corporate interests, and that cannot be allowed to continue. I'm supposed to be British now? Fine, let's change what it means to be that. Mark Renton was right, it IS shite being Scottish, We are the Hibs of the world, a bunch of born fucking losers, 'wha's like us' - nae c**t, fortunately. So what, let's take that and throw it back at Westminster, they are stuck with us now. The worst thing we can do is shrink back into ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 English MPs already calling for scrapping of the Barnett formula and not rushing new powers through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 When does Gordon Brown get his knighthood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I will enjoy my gloat. Not based on the referendum result, but based on the YES voters on here, yourself included, who turned it into a mass of personal insults and abuse towards anyone voting NO. There were so many good debates, knowledge and points being made by the YES voters on P&B as well, which omactually made me think about how I'd vote a few times. But then the posts would often be ruined by personal insults or stupid remarks about which football team someone supported. I think many of you YES voters actually deluded yourselves on here that you were in an overwhelming majority. I reckon there's probably as many NO voters on here, but they took a look at the referendum threads and decided not to get involved. As is standard on P&B, the back-slapping, bully-boys turned up first for the YES side, hounding every NO voter en-mass and despite some very good political views and points, often ruined it just by saying something completely fucking stupid... Much like politicians really. You poor little soldier. It must be dreadful to have your decision in a referendum cowed by strangers on an internet forum. Guess any conviction you had wasn't all that strong to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So he has! When did he last post? I think it was when he was giving us the scoop that Postal Votes were 70/30 for Yes prior to the polls closing. You have been very magnanimous today H_B. So what can we do to ensure the vow by Labour and the Tories doesn't get forgotten about and watered down for the 2015 GE? This is a difficult one for me as I'm not a Devo Max or anything of the sort person. I wasn't even in favour of the SP. I would say the next SP election is the opportunity. The threat of another referendum is there should Westminster not deliver what the majority of people seem to want. I think a good quote from last night was that this is last chance saloon for Westminster. I wouldn't be so confident about the result of another referendum in 10 years time as I was about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 And so it begins, copied from Facebook. .. Makes me laugh mate, THEY voted for the result last night, but it's the Tories fault??? Fucking LOL, the government bent over backwards just to make sure the Scots got their referendum, where's OURS on coming out of the EU? The Scots also got promised yet another raft of rights and handouts, to go along with their free education and prescriptions etc, all at our expense, while we carry on paying through the nose. When will our government take notice of the English??? Time for a massive change to give these arrogant fuckwits a kick up the arse - I don't like UKIP, but I want to see them win the next election just to give a big middle finger to the Tories, Labour and Liberal trough feeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallo_Madrid Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Nail on head, just not the way I think you mean. So many people worried about MY pension, MY mortgage, MY business, MY savings.... Yes was a vote for the future of Scotland. No was a vote for fear. ignorance or self-interest. The first two could be allayed by research, debate, or education. The last is simply a character trait, and an unlovely one - especially in a society which knows the value of nothing and the price of everything. "I'm all right, Jock" - Rallying cry of No voters and ,,,, Tories. I don't disagree. It was an outcome based post simply reflecting my opinion on why I thought the vote went the way it did. Nothing more, nothing less. People will always look out for number one though, and I don't disagree with that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 auld lizzie has a personal message for fat eck and confi the message is "roon yae" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 It´s a joke tbh and you will probably and hopefully never ever be regarded as a unique, pride and brave(-heart) nation again. I have been travelling to Scotland since I am 16 years old "wee" boy (even adapted parts of your language at times), being a huge Scotland fan and loved your country, culture, people and history to bits. No more. You don´t deserve to be called a Nation nor do you deserve to be called "proud" You are spine less and a disgrace to other independence movements around the world in the history of mankind. What a sorry excuse of a country you are. Stop pretending to be anything else than northern english lapdogs. Other nations would give all they got to have a referendum and the smug cowards blew it all away. Yesterday was the end of Scotland , the end of your incredible reputation world wide (I can speak for Germany, France, Holland etc.). People will be appalled by your slavish subservience. Oh an yes, please delete my account and throw me off your message board. I know the pattern of discussion on here and I know that at best my comment will be ignored. But deep down inside you know you´re not the same Scotland anymore. No respect for you anmyore. ...feeling better now after my rant. Shame on you! I'm finding it hard to fault your post. Thanks for an outside view, I imagine it's one repeated around much of the globe right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Are you denying that the demographic of Rangers fans, along with the elderly, landowners and the wealthy made up a majority of the No vote?how many landowners do you think are in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm finding it hard to fault your post. Thanks for an outside view, I imagine it's one repeated around much of the globe right now. It's really not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1974h Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Nail on head, just not the way I think you mean. So many people worried about MY pension, MY mortgage, MY business, MY savings.... Yes was a vote for the future of Scotland. No was a vote for fear. ignorance or self-interest. The first two could be allayed by research, debate, or education. The last is simply a character trait, and an unlovely one - especially in a society which knows the value of nothing and the price of everything. "I'm all right, Jock" - Rallying cry of No voters and ,,,, Tories. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So, can we use the pound or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 how many landowners do you think are in Scotland? Thousands of farmers for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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