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mizfit

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I'm not voting yes for myself anymore.

I'm voting yes for the OAP's that need to choose between heating, or eating.

I'm voting yes for those sending kids to a foodbank to eat after having to work overtime to cover the bills.

I'm voting yes for the people who have had children sent to fight in an illegal war, and never seen them return.

I'm voting yes for the 600'000 living in the shadow of trident and the fear of a nuke.

I'm voting yes to end a union which has used and abused our nation

I'm voting yes to finish the Tories in Scotland for good.

I'm voting to end austerity.

I urge everyone to think of more then themselves on the day of the referendum, were voting for a nation, not a party, not a single person, we are voting on a nations future.

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Mr Bairn

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It genuinely angers me.

We are being ruled by a Government who think it's acceptable to spend £100bn on a nuclear weapons programme we can never use.

We have spent multiple billions of £s on an aircraft carrier that cannot take aircraft.

More multiple billons are being spent on a rail network that few Scots will ever use.

And all this goes on while there's a 400% rise in foodbank use and people are going days without eating due to benefits sanctions.

How the hell can you consider a No vote in the face of all this?

You are yet to provide a solid reason why certain benefit users do not deserve to be sanctioned.

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Confidemus

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I'm not voting yes for myself anymore.

I'm voting yes for the OAP's that need to choose between heating, or eating.

I'm voting yes for those sending kids to a foodbank to eat after having to work overtime to cover the bills.

I'm voting yes for the people who have had children sent to fight in an illegal war, and never seen them return.

I'm voting yes for the 600'000 living in the shadow of trident and the fear of a nuke.

I'm voting yes to end a union which has used and abused our nation

I'm voting yes to finish the Tories in Scotland for good.

I'm voting to end austerity.

I urge everyone to think of more then themselves on the day of the referendum, were voting for a nation, not a party, not a single person, we are voting on a nations future.

This. SO much this. The basic difference between Yes and No voters. No voters vote for themselves. Yes voters vote for Scotland.

You are yet to provide a solid reason why certain benefit users do not deserve to be sanctioned.

Have you read some of the stories of people being sanctioned? Some of the reasons? If not, try and open your eyes a little and read up a little and lose some of your horrible right wing bias.

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Mr Bairn

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This. SO much this. The basic difference between Yes and No voters. No voters vote for themselves. Yes voters vote for Scotland.

Have you read some of the stories of people being sanctioned? Some of the reasons? If not, try and open your eyes a little and read up a little and lose some of your horrible right wing bias.

What about the No voters that are voting for Britain? I won't deny that most No voters are doing so out of self-interest (Although a Yes vote would probably be in my own self-interest) but some No voters are doing it for the UK, they think that on balance, the people of Britain will be better off by a No vote.

I haven't read these stories, maybe you can take the liberty of providing a few. What I do take umbrage with is tax money being spent on flat screen TVs and trips to the pub for people. I'm a massive fan of the welfare state to provide some basic living standards for those who are temporarily without work or sick/disabled, but for those that are healthy and of working age they need to be devoting most of their time to seeking a job IMO, and if they are too lazy to work then absolutely sanction the living daylights out of them.

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What about the No voters that are voting for Britain? I won't deny that most No voters are doing so out of self-interest (Although a Yes vote would probably be in my own self-interest) but some No voters are doing it for the UK, they think that on balance, the people of Britain will be better off by a No vote.

I haven't read these stories, maybe you can take the liberty of providing a few. What I do take umbrage with is tax money being spent on flat screen TVs and trips to the pub for people. I'm a massive fan of the welfare state to provide some basic living standards for those who are temporarily without work or sick/disabled, but for those that are healthy and of working age they need to be devoting most of their time to seeking a job IMO, and if they are too lazy to work then absolutely sanction the living daylights out of them.

Conflating Britain and UK. Perhaps you can tell me how Scotland will cease to be part of Britain?

And you can f**k off with the flat screen TV argument. When was the last time that you went into a shop and managed to buy a CRT TV? You will of course provide evidence that there is a possibility of full employment in either Scotland or the UK whilst insisting that everyone should be working.

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Confidemus

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What about the No voters that are voting for Britain? I won't deny that most No voters are doing so out of self-interest (Although a Yes vote would probably be in my own self-interest) but some No voters are doing it for the UK, they think that on balance, the people of Britain will be better off by a No vote.

I haven't read these stories, maybe you can take the liberty of providing a few. What I do take umbrage with is tax money being spent on flat screen TVs and trips to the pub for people. I'm a massive fan of the welfare state to provide some basic living standards for those who are temporarily without work or sick/disabled, but for those that are healthy and of working age they need to be devoting most of their time to seeking a job IMO, and if they are too lazy to work then absolutely sanction the living daylights out of them.

Yeah I kinda gave up when you brought up the flat screen TV pish.

f**k off Scrappy.

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Mr Bairn

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Conflating Britain and UK. Perhaps you can tell me how Scotland will cease to be part of Britain?

And you can f**k off with the flat screen TV argument. When was the last time that you went into a shop and managed to buy a CRT TV? You will of course provide evidence that there is a possibility of full employment in either Scotland or the UK whilst insisting that everyone should be working.

A CRT TV? Probably in about 2007. Your point is?

Of course not everyone can be working but everyone should at least be trying to work IMO, I'd also encourage early retirement packages, particularly in the public sector, to help weed people off the social.

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strichener

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A CRT TV? Probably in about 2007. Your point is?

Of course not everyone can be working but everyone should at least be trying to work IMO, I'd also encourage early retirement packages, particularly in the public sector, to help weed people off the social.

My point is? My point is that this facination with flat screen tvs is typical of people who have no idea of how life goes. When you are working you can use your earnings to purchase things. You know things like TVs. If you subsequently lose you job, you don't have to hand your TV over before you are entitled to benefits. Your portrayal of someone on benefits is based on Tory rhetoric and shows how ignorant you are.

I would suggest that you give up some of your time and help out at some of the charities that people on benefits need to actually survive, it might just change your opinion.

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What about the No voters that are voting for Britain? I won't deny that most No voters are doing so out of self-interest (Although a Yes vote would probably be in my own self-interest) but some No voters are doing it for the UK, they think that on balance, the people of Britain will be better off by a No vote.

I haven't read these stories, maybe you can take the liberty of providing a few. What I do take umbrage with is tax money being spent on flat screen TVs and trips to the pub for people. I'm a massive fan of the welfare state to provide some basic living standards for those who are temporarily without work or sick/disabled, but for those that are healthy and of working age they need to be devoting most of their time to seeking a job IMO, and if they are too lazy to work then absolutely sanction the living daylights out of them.

Looking for a bite?

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I fucking love when people say "flat screen TVs", it's such a Daily Mail term used whenever anyone is complaining about those on benefits.

Aye, a fcuking hate folk stealing tax money and stashing it in tax havens around the world.

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Ross.

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From the FT - Any of you no voters still wanting to argue that there will be no CU? A 10% drop in the value of Sterling now being talked about in finance circles.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/49e7a...#axzz3CEdXqwRq

Scottish poll has investors rushing for cover

By Delphine Strauss, Harriet Agnew and Andrew BolgerAuthor alerts

Until this week’s polls, investors had largely disregarded the September 18 Scottish independence referendum, pointing to the consistently large lead enjoyed by the No camp as a reason not to worry.

But Tuesday’s survey from YouGov changed that – not by suggesting that Yes would win, but by implying that it could no longer be ruled out.

The biggest reaction came in currency options markets, where investors rushed to buy protection against swings in sterling around the date of the vote.

Paul Lambert, a fund manager at Insight Investment, said the move reflected hedging by both speculators and companies.

One hedge fund manager said he had begun taking out protection against currency risk last week. “When you average the polls you still have enough margin to view the likelihood of an independent Scotland as a tail risk, rather than a baseline scenario,” he said. “But when you offset that with the price of protection, it’s still worth having some of that in your portfolio.”

Sterling fell around 0.6 per cent against a generally stronger dollar but analysts said they expected the pound to fall much more sharply in the event of a Yes vote. A particular concern for currency investors would be the UK’s persistent current account deficit, if this were no longer offset by North Sea oil revenues.

Mark Bathgate, head of research at ABD Investment Management, a fund manager said: “We have a long position in the dollar against sterling as this seems like the clearest and simplest way to play a win for independence, given that sterling is likely to weaken in a break-up scenario.” He predicted that in the event of a Yes vote, sterling could slide quickly from current levels of 1.65 to the dollar to 1.50.

Outside the City, bookmakers shortened odds on a Yes vote.

Paddy Power moved the odds of Scotland voting for independence in to 11/4. It was 5/1 going into last week’s television debate between campaign leaders Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling. The likelihood of a No vote was at 1/10, but is now drifting to 1/4.

IG Index, the spread betting company, said it had received a bet of £50,000 on a Yes vote on Tuesday morning after the poll was reported.

Gilts investors appeared relatively unmoved. Interest rates on 10-year UK gilts rose by around 6 basis points to 2.349 per cent but there was little movement in yields on shorter-dated debt and the Debt Management Office saw healthy demand for a £4bn sale of bonds due to mature in 2020.

However, Alan Wilde, head of fixed income at Barings Asset Management, said a Yes vote would hit gilts, and could unnerve international holders of UK debt. “It will certainly take some time to provide clarity and this may unnerve international holders – recent data suggests the percentage of overseas holders of gilts down this year after several years of increasing exposure,” he said.

Shares in companies with cross-border exposure also slipped on Tuesday, with RBS and Lloyds Banking Group among the worst performers in a subdued London market. SSE, the Scottish utility with extensive interests in England, fell 1.6 per cent.

Barclays equity research analysts have predicted that a Yes vote could affect shares in banks and companies in a range of other sectors including oil, defence, transport, asset management, utilities, insurance, and property.

However, both the outcome of the referendum and the implications of a Yes vote, remain so unclear that investors’ options are limited.

Several hedge fund managers said that they had looked at trading Scotland but could not assess how the referendum would affect the gilt markets and sterling.

A global macro hedge fund manager said: “The outcome of the election is super uncertain. Even if you were to know the results of the referendum it would be difficult to make money out of it because it is hard to predict what would happen.”

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http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/...rth-trillions/

Published in Oil Industry News on Wednesday, 3 September 2014

Scotland could be sitting on more than double the amount of oil and gas reserves currently predicted, a new independent industry investigation has found. The investigation reveals that the scale of Scotland’s untapped frontier West Coast or Atlantic Margin has been underestimated.

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