Burma Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 ^^^ Sobbing uncontrollably. Pursuing delusions. ^^^ Used "Sobbing uncontrollably" twice. So angry he cant think up new insults. Indulging in pish patter. Possibly running out of steam now. May well have already trashed his bedroom.....sorry Jamaldo, study. May go quiet for the next 10 minutes while he hammers out some rant and may possibly raise some of his now infamous false assertions on the Claim of Right.Anyway. gutted (snigger) Ill miss it. Off to celebrate my a family birthday. Indian buffet is gettin tanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 ^^^ Doesn't understand law. Got found out copying and pasting off sources as credible as David Icke on the lizard people. Didn't even understand what he was copying and pasting. Sobbing uncontrollably into his fail, desperately trying to save face. Are you sure you're old enough for uni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Oh look, Ad Lib completely failing to keep any Unionists honest. Instead, he allies himself with known fantasists and liars (HB and Reynard) to engage in pointless and dishonest deflection to try and keep the heat off. Truly an embarrassment. Has he declared himself back in the Unionist camp yet? After all, Reynard followed a similar journey of pretending he was a Yes supporter, and even took umbrage when I pointed out the truth. Lo and behold, he re-declared for No. Just waiting for Ad Lib to do the same. As for the rest of you. Why engage with Reynard? He's a liar and an idiot passing himself off as some sort of uber pundit, but he is completely unable to do anything other than lie and hide when challenged. Him and HB are just Deegas with less typos. Why waste your time doing anything other than mocking them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRubberFist Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 A decent perspective on the bile and hatred spewed forth by the so-called independence 'debate': http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/13/independence-scotland-joke-comedians-referendum-scottish-satire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsoverperthshire Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Few stories out this afternoon about EU membership (yawn) and some basic tax outlining from John Swinney. http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/independent-scotland-would-have-to-reapply-to-eu-1-3232221 http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/scottish-independence-proposed-tax-system-revealed-1-3231993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 My white paper arrived today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Mike Russell on Newsnight was a great advert for BT - and folk wonder why lots of people aren't prepared to trust the SNP's everything will be better claims. Russell just ignores his own data or just says manifesto promises aren't important anymore. Add in the Curriculum for excellence debacle they are presiding over with 2 different higher qualifications next year and Schools in disarray over National 4s and 5s and you can realise where the priority is - as long as they can keep the council tax freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsoverperthshire Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Mike Russell on Newsnight was a great advert for BT - and folk wonder why lots of people aren't prepared to trust the SNP's everything will be better claims. Russell just ignores his own data or just says manifesto promises aren't important anymore. Add in the Curriculum for excellence debacle they are presiding over with 2 different higher qualifications next year and Schools in disarray over National 4s and 5s and you can realise where the priority is - as long as they can keep the council tax freeze. Folk trust the SNP as they have earned our trust. Folk that don't respect honesty like you will continue to "bat the nats" because your a emotional simpleton. Your contributions to the debate are not worth anyone reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Mike Russell on Newsnight was a great advert for BT - and folk wonder why lots of people aren't prepared to trust the SNP's everything will be better claims. Russell just ignores his own data or just says manifesto promises aren't important anymore. Add in the Curriculum for excellence debacle they are presiding over with 2 different higher qualifications next year and Schools in disarray over National 4s and 5s and you can realise where the priority is - as long as they can keep the council tax freeze. Remind me, how does Scotland score compared to the UK average? Is it above or below? Still, nice to see another idiot unionist who zips up at the back and believes everything the BBC and the Daily Telegraph tells them. For a follow up, why did people vote SNP in 2011 if they were so awful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Its one thing to see politicians holding the party line no matter if their own facts don't fit the scenario but when voters can only react with the 'fear' and 'bat the nats' reaction you know they are on thin ice. But if I am deluded what is the 'honesty' around class sizes and CfE ? what Higher will it be best for our kids to take next year? why has the SG not delivered a coherent CfE. Only a fool would think that CfE introduction has not been hampered by a lack of funding - but as long as the council tax freeze can be maintained that appears to be the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Well you are the one that brought it up in the Scottish independence section. What does this have to do with independence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Mike Russell on Newsnight was a great advert for BT - and folk wonder why lots of people aren't prepared to trust the SNP's everything will be better claims. Russell just ignores his own data or just says manifesto promises aren't important anymore. Add in the Curriculum for excellence debacle they are presiding over with 2 different higher qualifications next year and Schools in disarray over National 4s and 5s and you can realise where the priority is - as long as they can keep the council tax freeze. It's a good job you'll be able to vote the SNP out of office post independence a vote for a party who's education policy you agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Been thinking about the law squads insistence that we will be slung out of the EU post referendum. Will they be able to name a date? If the referendum is September 2014, and its a yes, then will we have to leave by the end of 2014? When will the deportations take place? How will leaving the EU be enforced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Been thinking about the law squads insistence that we will be slung out of the EU post referendum. Will they be able to name a date? If the referendum is September 2014, and its a yes, then will we have to leave by the end of 2014? When will the deportations take place? How will leaving the EU be enforced? That isn't what was said though, was it? Scotland will not be "kicked out" of the EU. It will have left the territory of a member-state voluntarily in asserting international sovereignty. Therefore either they achieve a unanimous agreement of member-states for accession to the EU prior to secession from the UK, or they have to negotiate a transitional arrangement until such a position is reached, such a transitional arrangement also requiring unanimous agreement of the member-states. Failure to do either of these things would lead to Scotland not being in the EU, but they'll not have been "kicked out". Note also that the mere fact of ceasing to be part of a member-state would not lead to any automatic deportations whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 That isn't what was said though, was it? Scotland will not be "kicked out" of the EU. It will have left the territory of a member-state voluntarily in asserting international sovereignty. Therefore either they achieve a unanimous agreement of member-states for accession to the EU prior to secession from the UK, or they have to negotiate a transitional arrangement until such a position is reached, such a transitional arrangement also requiring unanimous agreement of the member-states. Failure to do either of these things would lead to Scotland not being in the EU, but they'll not have been "kicked out". Note also that the mere fact of ceasing to be part of a member-state would not lead to any automatic deportations whatsoever. So WHEN will we be kicked out of the EU? The law squad, with a characteristic lack of honesty seem to be saying there will be no negotiations until after independence day. None at all. Or at least, some of your fellow unionists have said that, and you seem to be in agreement as you never felt the need to keep them honest. So when will official kicking out day be? ETA, it amuses me that you manage to say BOTH that we will not be in the EU, and that there will be no kicking out day. Good work on the ol' honesty there. Lib Dem Michael Moore suggested that it could be many years before we're allowed in, although, in traditional Lib Dem style, he's changed his mind now that he no longer has to lie for the government. Good old honesty eh! So the two questions are, when will kicking out day be, and how long will we have to wait on the naughty step for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Let me save Ad Lib some time. Post independence, we will be in the EU. Any scenario where we have to sit on the naughty step for a few months is simply not going to happen. Any scenario where Scotland is denied entry is simply not going to happen. Therefore, anyone who says that either of those two scenarios is even slightly realistic is a liar, and probably has to resort to legalistic obfuscation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 That isn't what was said though, was it? Scotland will not be "kicked out" of the EU. It will have left the territory of a member-state voluntarily in asserting international sovereignty. Therefore either they achieve a unanimous agreement of member-states for accession to the EU prior to secession from the UK, or they have to negotiate a transitional arrangement until such a position is reached, such a transitional arrangement also requiring unanimous agreement of the member-states. Failure to do either of these things would lead to Scotland not being in the EU, but they'll not have been "kicked out". Note also that the mere fact of ceasing to be part of a member-state would not lead to any automatic deportations whatsoever. Surely Mr Cameron would have clarified that position before negociating the Edinburgh agreement & the setting of the question on the ballot form, or does he now want to change, or add to, that question to include EU membership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Mike Russell on Newsnight was a great advert for BT - and folk wonder why lots of people aren't prepared to trust the SNP's everything will be better claims. Russell just ignores his own data or just says manifesto promises aren't important anymore. Add in the Curriculum for excellence debacle they are presiding over with 2 different higher qualifications next year and Schools in disarray over National 4s and 5s and you can realise where the priority is - as long as they can keep the council tax freeze. Perhaps you should vote for the unionist parties post independence, what are their policies on education? Do they have any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 One for the Law squad. Not read it myself yet so don't know how relevant it is to Scottish independence Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/3_2_1978.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 probably has to resort to legalistic obfuscation. Surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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