Lowland League comparison

[WaffenThinMint]

As matters stand:

Number of threads in the Junior Football section that have received any kind of post today = 20

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205084-all-hurlford-chat-20132014/page-5

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/203032-boness-united-2013-14/page-43

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/179423-another-player-leaves-rangers/page-2

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205795-junior-scotland-squad/page-3

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205375-buffs-thread/page-8

*** http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205880-average-crowd/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205684-biggest-crowd-at-a-game-you-have-been-atapart-from-junior-cup-final/page-3

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205738-teams-you-dislike-the-most-and-why/page-4

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205119-ladeside-thread/page-10

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205893-best-player-at-your-club-in-the-adl/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205894-what-a-cock-up/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205829-tayport-change-of-management/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/161105-the-sauchie-juniors-thread/page-27

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205824-young-players-that-may-have-a-future-in-the-game/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205871-east-of-scotland-cup-draw/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205781-who-is-the-best-junior-striker-this-season/page-4

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/202897-central-2nd-division-20132014/page-14

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/171430-willie-sawyers-goal-machine-in-the-juniors/page-5

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/204569-junior-ante-post-odds-2013-14/page-2

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/203617-whos-behind-the-juniors-weekly-newspaper/page-7

Number of times that Isabel Goudie has posted in the Juniors section today?

Once! (see ***)

Number of times it has posted in the Lowlands section?

Three times in one thread alone (including replying to themselves!)

Yes, it is so interested in the Junior game, it spends three times as much time here barfing off to anyone that'll listen about it as they do talking about it in the relevent section, even when so many Junior threads are active.

Could it be that Isabel's "interest" in the Juniors begins & ends in the capacity to act Billy Big Baws when they're winning trophies - no more, no less.

Of course, most of you will have guessed as much, but thought you'd all enjoy see it confirmed in black & white.

[Boomtown Boy]

A thought the junior cup final was pretty pish as well tbh but if I had a pound for every sports event that didnt live up to its billing I would be a rich man.

Anyone that makes a conclusive judgement after 1 such game has a flawed reasoning and prob isnt worth the effort of entering a debate on the subject.

edit sorry just read above 2 posts and will take ma thoughts elsewhere. I agree Northern Premier is about where LL stands IMO

[cheeky]

Got to agree with other posters why is I Goudie infatuated with the LL.

In her own terminology Pish off back to the Junior pages and let the LL

get on with there's.

[HTG]

How motivated would you have been if you'd seen a 7-5 thriller though? That's where my doubts lie

And, given this thread has been utterly derailed already, I'd also ask the Talbot and Rose fans who have posted here whether their respective good seasons (a double for one and a 50+ game unbeaten streak for the other) have seen any improvements on the gate this term?

Too early to say but I don't think so. We have increased season ticket sales but it's fair to say a number of our opponents bring low double figures to Prestonfield when they come. I have no idea how they survive at home.

[Guest]

As matters stand:Number of threads in the Junior Football section that have received any kind of post today = 20http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205084-all-hurlford-chat-20132014/page-5http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/203032-boness-united-2013-14/page-43http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/179423-another-player-leaves-rangers/page-2http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205795-junior-scotland-squad/page-3http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205375-buffs-thread/page-8*** http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205880-average-crowd/http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205684-biggest-crowd-at-a-game-you-have-been-atapart-from-junior-cup-final/page-3http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205738-teams-you-dislike-the-most-and-why/page-4http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205119-ladeside-thread/page-10http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205893-best-player-at-your-club-in-the-adl/http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205894-what-a-cock-up/http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205829-tayport-change-of-management/http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/161105-the-sauchie-juniors-thread/page-27http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205824-young-players-that-may-have-a-future-in-the-game/http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205871-east-of-scotland-cup-draw/http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/205781-who-is-the-best-junior-striker-this-season/page-4http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/202897-central-2nd-division-20132014/page-14http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/171430-willie-sawyers-goal-machine-in-the-juniors/page-5http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/204569-junior-ante-post-odds-2013-14/page-2http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/203617-whos-behind-the-juniors-weekly-newspaper/page-7Number of times that Isabel Goudie has posted in the Juniors section today?

Once! (see ***)Number of times it has posted in the Lowlands section?Three times in one thread alone (including replying to themselves!)

Yes, it is so interested in the Junior game, it spends three times as much time here barfing off to anyone that'll listen about it as they do talking about it in the relevent section, even when so many Junior threads are active.

Could it be that Isabel's "interest" in the Juniors begins & ends in the capacity to act Billy Big Baws when they're winning trophies - no more, no less.

Of course, most of you will have guessed as much, but thought you'd all enjoy see it confirmed in black & white.

Did you watch the whole game, or were you so aroused by the thought of it not living up to bill you watched the whole thing? Was it better than Viagra?

[Grim O'Grady]

Can I just remind everyone of my only other post on this thread... on page 1.

My tuppence, wtf is it to do with any of the Juniors what we compare our League to? Come back next year when you can be arsed to join in with us, then your opinion will count.

I still stand by it.

Grimbo

[cmontheloknow]

What would a Pollok fan know about football unless he was blessed with a very good memory? Pollok have been a horrendously poor side for the past couple of seasons

I haven't been regularly since 2010!

[LongTimeLurker]

This is a Lowland League thread not an EoS League one. It is only natural that junior fans like Isa would take an interest in the league that is supposed to be servind as a stepping stone between the SJFA and the SPFL in a wider pyramid and as a pinnacle for the nonleague portion of the sport.

[TFW]

I'm also an Auchinleck fan, and have been since moving north 22 years ago. It hasn't stopped me from watching Gretna, Threave Rovers, Dalbeattie Star and numerous other South of Scotland clubs in that time when Talbot either didn't have a game, or I couldn't get there due to working in Castle Douglas and not finishing while 3pm.

As someone who became thoroughly disillusioned with the professional game down south, and had started watching the non league game down there when I couldn't make a long away trip to watch my home town team Grimsby, I'd already started following non league football and enjoying it. I've done the same up here and have only seen one SPL game in those 22 years when I got dragged screaming to Motherwell one Tuesday night and had to pay £4 more than the home fans to get in as I was with a friend supporting Hearts. That was more than enough for me and non league football it is. Just because we have an interest in the Lowland League doesn't mean we're going to end up there (although I never discount anything) it's just a love of non league football in general.

Isabel on the other hand is a raving Talbot loony who sees nothing if not through black and gold spectacles, and I'm afraid you'll probably have to get used to his ramblings, albeit they're well intentioned!

I'd love to see a fully integrated non league scene in Scotland with a national cup competition (the Junior Cup is widely mooted) I don't think the Lowland League in it's present form is the vehicle for doing that, but as I've said before, never say never as you never know what's around the corner. Best of luck to the Lowland League as I'd like to see it go from strength to strength and hopefully one or two of said clubs will be in the draw for the 3rd round of the Scottish Cup.

[newcastle broon]

This is a Lowland League thread not an EoS League one. It is only natural that junior fans like Isa would take an interest in the league that is supposed to be servind as a stepping stone between the SJFA and the SPFL in a wider pyramid and as a pinnacle for the nonleague portion of the sport.

so it being a lowland league thread tell me wtf the junior cup final is doing on it then !!

positive posts about the lowland league from you are few and far between.

[newcastle broon]

Did you watch the whole game, or were you so aroused by the thought of it not living up to bill you watched the whole thing? Was it better than Viagra?

Still have nae answered the question Isa.

What is your fascination with the lowland league ?

[Guest]

so it being a lowland league thread tell me wtf the junior cup final is doing on it then !!

positive posts about the lowland league from you are few and far between.

It is LL supporters that keep bringing up the Junior Final in an attempt to slag of Junior Football as an entity, not very observant are you? Oh, and to answer your question about being on the forum, is it not a football forum and is it not topical that Junior clubs could, might, should be involved in a 5th tier if it has to have credibility? Anyway, can you now answer my question?

[newcastle broon]

It is LL supporters that keep bringing up the Junior Final in an attempt to slag of Junior Football as an entity, not very observant are you? Oh, and to answer your question about being on the forum, is it not a football forum and is it not topical that Junior clubs could, might, should be involved in a 5th tier if it has to have credibility? Anyway, can you now answer my question?

Na am no very observant,am sensitive as well ye know,if only i was easily offended by ye

So basically what your saying is a couple of posters speak on behalf of all the lowland clubs.

See I am observant for as far as I can see this thread has 4 pages,maybes 5 now yet only 2 are critical of the junior game and one of them has no allegiance to a lowland league club ?

Junior clubs had there chance and didn't bother,al answer yer question when and if yous actually join it.

Take a leaf oot yer fellow tablet fans book eh

[Cicero]

It is LL supporters that keep bringing up the Junior Final in an attempt to slag of Junior Football as an entity, not very observant are you? Oh, and to answer your question about being on the forum, is it not a football forum and is it not topical that Junior clubs could, might, should be involved in a 5th tier if it has to have credibility? Anyway, can you now answer my question?

Not at all, the junior Cup final was brought up to counter act all the nonsense that you have posted about the lowland league lacking credibility as it lacks quality. Quality was certainly lacking in that particular game.

I view the junior game and junior clubs much like the non-league senior game. There are lot more junior clubs so there bound to be more clubs at both ends of the ability spectrum. Only last year a mid-table East of Scotland team knocked out the then current junior cup holders out of the big Scottish. In the same season Bonnyrigg only managed a narrow win against Stirling. Hardly the mauling that certain junior fans said would happen.

In answer to your question, if certain junior clubs are refusing to play at as high a level as possible in their league national structure I would say it is these clubs who lack credibility not the league.

[Guest]

Not at all, the junior Cup final was brought up to counter act all the nonsense that you have posted about the lowland league lacking credibility as it lacks quality. Quality was certainly lacking in that particular game.

I view the junior game and junior clubs much like the non-league senior game. There are lot more junior clubs so there bound to be more clubs at both ends of the ability spectrum. Only last year a mid-table East of Scotland team knocked out the then current junior cup holders out of the big Scottish. In the same season Bonnyrigg only managed a narrow win against Stirling. Hardly the mauling that certain junior fans said would happen.

In answer to your question, if certain junior clubs are refusing to play at as high a level as possible in their league national structure I would say it is these clubs who lack credibility not the league.

So we go round and round like the gold fish, round and round, and round and round! For the umpteenth time they just don't see the LL as is at a higher level or a challenge, there is no attraction! Also, my original post stated there was no comparison due to the adverse nature of the hurried construction of the LL, some LL posters then got defensive and brought up the biased inaccurate rumblings about the Junior final which it is becoming clear none of them actually watched more than ten minutes of, did you?

[Cicero]

So we go round and round like the gold fish, round and round, and round and round! For the umpteenth time they just don't see the LL as is at a higher level or a challenge, there is no attraction! Also, my original post stated there was no comparison due to the adverse nature of the hurried construction of the LL, some LL posters then got defensive and brought up the biased inaccurate rumblings about the Junior final which it is becoming clear none of them actually watched more than ten minutes of, did you?

Yes the whole match. I kept promising myself that it must get better.

On the other hand, have you ever seen a minute of a Lowland League match? No?? Yet you seem to think that you are somehow qualified to talk about the quality of our league.

[LongTimeLurker]

positive posts about the lowland league from you are few and far between.

Why would anyone be obligated to make positive posts about the LL on an internet forum? The concept behind the LL is broadly positive, but the execution so far has been flawed because most of the top nonleague clubs south of the Tay have not been attracted into it.

[Cicero]

Why would anyone be obligated to make positive posts about the LL on an internet forum? The concept behind the LL is broadly positive, but the execution so far has been flawed because most of the top nonleague clubs south of the Tay have not been attracted into it.

Or make the status quo unattractive. Take away the Scottish Cup places.

Let them stay in their own leagues and let them apply when their ready. Perhaps to one of the feeder leagues when they get formalised. Get the feeder leagues in place and only take applications from clubs involved in those set ups. If they only want to join the set up on their own terms, then sorry no. We will progress and succeed without them.

[TFW]

Not at all, the junior Cup final was brought up to counter act all the nonsense that you have posted about the lowland league lacking credibility as it lacks quality. Quality was certainly lacking in that particular game.

I view the junior game and junior clubs much like the non-league senior game. There are lot more junior clubs so there bound to be more clubs at both ends of the ability spectrum. Only last year a mid-table East of Scotland team knocked out the then current junior cup holders out of the big Scottish. In the same season Bonnyrigg only managed a narrow win against Stirling. Hardly the mauling that certain junior fans said would happen.

In answer to your question, if certain junior clubs are refusing to play at as high a level as possible in their league national structure I would say it is these clubs who lack credibility not the league.

Your problem is though, surely, that it's probably only the SFA and the Lowland League who see it as a higher level, compared to the Junior Super Leagues. I have been to one Lowland League game this season, Dalbeattie Star vs Threave Rovers, the big local derby. I made comment on here about it being absolutely dire, and a number of supporters of both clubs came on to say the same thing, it really was attrocious. I never, ever said that it would be symptomatic of all clubs, or indeed all games in the Lowland League. I just accepted it was a piss poor game and moved on. The Junior Cup Final, however, is being held up as a PR disaster for the whole of the Juniors, there's no consistency to the argument.

What I am sure of though, is that given the teams in the Lowland League, I can't see how clubs like Auchinleck and Linlithgow would view it as a step up, regardless of it's official 5th tier ranking? The potential for joining the SFL is plain to see, and therein lies your answer, the big Junior clubs don't want League football, and neither do the fans. It's not about credibility at all, it's about living within your means, having a very good league and national cup competition, very well priced as well. Why on earth would anyone want to change that?

[Cicero]

Your problem is though, surely, that it's probably only the SFA and the Lowland League who see it as a higher level, compared to the Junior Super Leagues. I have been to one Lowland League game this season, Dalbeattie Star vs Threave Rovers, the big local derby. I made comment on here about it being absolutely dire, and a number of supporters of both clubs came on to say the same thing, it really was attrocious. I never, ever said that it would be symptomatic of all clubs, or indeed all games in the Lowland League. I just accepted it was a piss poor game and moved on. The Junior Cup Final, however, is being held up as a PR disaster for the whole of the Juniors, there's no consistency to the argument.

What I am sure of though, is that given the teams in the Lowland League, I can't see how clubs like Auchinleck and Linlithgow would view it as a step up, regardless of it's official 5th tier ranking? The potential for joining the SFL is plain to see, and therein lies your answer, the big Junior clubs don't want League football, and neither do the fans. It's not about credibility at all, it's about living within your means, having a very good league and national cup competition, very well priced as well. Why on earth would anyone want to change that?

Well then no one is forcing you to move, play in your own set up and the leave the financial reward of the (SFA )Scottish Cup to the clubs who want to stay in the SFA system.

Stay where you are and gives us peace. We are fed up about certain posters coming on here and saying our league lacks credibility without the likes of them.