welshbairn Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Don't talk pish He's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Don't talk pish He's right. No he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 it wasnt a popular uprising, assad still retains massive support across the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 popular suggests majority of the population, the uprising in syria does not equal a popular uprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 More like we're working for Saudi Arabia, who control Qatar absolutely. Why is the thing I don't understand. 19 of the 9/11 bombers were Saudis, most of the Jihadist Madrassas around the world, particularly in Pakistan, are funded by them. OK, they've got oil, but so have other places, including Iran. Why the west has sided with the Sunnis in their war against the Shia I've no idea. this is true, imo its probably the sheer amount of oil and money they have and the influence that wields in the region. we depend on oil now more than ever, and they have more than anyone else, it probably is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 popular suggests majority of the population, the uprising in syria does not equal a popular uprising. Any evidence or just making it up as you go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 No he's not. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Any evidence or just making it up as you go? click the link welshbairn just posted. do you not find it interesting you don't feel the need to post any evidence of your claims but ask for evidence of mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 We're in danger of moving from phase 3 to phase 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 It seems to have been forgotten that this conflict started with the crushing of a popular uprising. The uprising has been popularised by western support who have their own agendas. Yes there was and still is a genuine demand for Assad to go and for stable democracy to be implemented, and rightly so. But whilst the regime has acted deplorably, the actions of the insurgency in the last couple of years makes them the worse option of the two. Any genuine, peaceful demand for democracy in Syria has been drowned out by this ugly, western backed insurgency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superwell87 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Yes, and we should done a while back in my opinion. If Syria was rich in oil, such as Libya I would hazzard a very good bet that we, along with the U.S would have been involved a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The uprising has been popularised by western support who have their own agendas. Yes there was and still is a genuine demand for Assad to go and for stable democracy to be implemented, and rightly so. But whilst the regime has acted deplorably, the actions of the insurgency in the last couple of years makes them the worse option of the two. Any genuine, peaceful demand for democracy in Syria has been drowned out by this ugly, western backed insurgency. good post. an insurgency backed by al qaeda btw, the same people we are fighting in other countries we want to arm in syria. you literally couldnt make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The uprising has been popularised by western support who have their own agendas. Yes there was and still is a genuine demand for Assad to go and for stable democracy to be implemented, and rightly so. But whilst the regime has acted deplorably, the actions of the insurgency in the last couple of years makes them the worse option of the two. Any genuine, peaceful demand for democracy in Syria has been drowned out by this ugly, western backed insurgency. I realise it has become an absolute shitstorm, with arseholes on all sides, but the fact remains it began as a popular uprising by the Syrian people to remove a brutal and corrupt clique and their police state from power. Not sure I can say with any certainty which is the less worst option for the Syrian people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I realise it has become an absolute shitstorm, with arseholes on all sides, but the fact remains it began as a popular uprising by the Syrian people to remove a brutal and corrupt clique and their police state from power. Not sure I can say with any certainty which is the less worst option for the Syrian people. How do you know it was popular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Yes, and we should done a while back in my opinion. If Syria was rich in oil, such as Libya I would hazzard a very good bet that we, along with the U.S would have been involved a long time ago. Are you advocating military involvement in Syria? On what grounds should we be invading Syria, but not, say, Saudi Arabia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda 55% of Syrians now (or at the time of this poll) want Assad to stay to stop more bloodshed, has nothing to do with how and why the uprising began and the support it had before the brutal repression kicked in. I don't support intervention, but to dress it up as Assad good, Rebels bad, is 1st year student politics of the worst kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I realise it has become an absolute shitstorm, with arseholes on all sides, but the fact remains it began as a popular uprising by the Syrian people to remove a brutal and corrupt clique and their police state from power. Not sure I can say with any certainty which is the less worst option for the Syrian people. it wasnt a popular uprising, that is of crucial importance. if it was it is entirely legitimate and deserves to be supported. it wasnt, you need to google the word popular and see what it actually means, if more people didnt support the uprising than did then its not popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Are you advocating military involvement in Syria? On what grounds should we be invading Syria, but not, say, Saudi Arabia? fantastic point, if we ever made decisions on foreign policy on a moral basis we would have invaded saudi 40 years ago instead of spending those decades sucking them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 55% of Syrians now (or at the time of this poll) want Assad to stay to stop more bloodshed, has nothing to do with how and why the uprising began and the support it had before the brutal repression kicked in. I don't support intervention, but to dress it up as Assad good, Rebels bad, is 1st year student politics of the worst kind. I don't. But to dress it up as "popular rebels" v evil dictator is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 55% of Syrians now (or at the time of this poll) want Assad to stay to stop more bloodshed, has nothing to do with how and why the uprising began and the support it had before the brutal repression kicked in. I don't support intervention, but to dress it up as Assad good, Rebels bad, is 1st year student politics of the worst kind. nobody said it was assad good rebels bad, its assad supported by more of the people than the rebels, assad quite bad rebels effin mental and as bad as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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