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take the 'massacre' in homs, good example. you've not been there, neither have I. lets say that is the legitimate (in as far as a govt that hasnt been democratically elected but does retain sovereignty can be legitimate) putting down of insurrection by the government, painted by western media as a massacre. just hypothetically speaking lets say thats whats really going on. how would you know the truth one way or the other?

who is independent enough to simply report the facts? its not our media, and its not theirs. so why do you take the word of our media as gospel? have we not lied enough yet to bring some doubt into your mind? iraq? gulf of tonkin?

Is Al-Jazerra 'Our Media'?

You are displaying a great deal of knee-jerk ignorance here. In fact you may even be a 1st year politics student. You're the one who is proclaiming the situation and uprising as being 'clear' and 'obvious'. It is nothing of the sort.

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Where will I find them, on David Icke's website? :rolleyes:

What is the correct term if not slaughtered then? Butchered? Murdered by the state for protesting?

what I would suggest you and anyone does with this and any issue like this is go onto google, type the words independent news sources or alternative news and find a few sites you like, then go from there,

there are also thousands of videos on youtube made from both points of view. watch a few dozen, then see what you think.

do not take the word of the bbc sky news fox etc as gospel. they lie.

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Is Al-Jazerra 'Our Media'?

You are displaying a great deal of knee-jerk ignorance here. In fact you may even be a 1st year politics student. You're the one who is proclaiming the situation and uprising as being 'clear' and 'obvious'. It is nothing of the sort.

yes it is very much so. al jazeera is owned and operated by the qatari government. qatar are our allies in the region, you see? its never as clear as it seems.

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but we already have an opinion poll showing the uprising isnt 'popular' at all. just cause you have a media outlet, doubtless with its own agenda, saying that it was that doesn't prove anything, and isnt nearly as valid as an opinion poll carried out by a nation with a vested interest in saying that it was, showing that it wasnt.

this is my point, believe nothing you are told over syria, look for your own information and make balanced judgements,

No we don't. We have Poll we have a poll saying 55%( surprised it's not more tbh, shows how hated the Assad regime must be) saying they would accept the Regime staying in power if it meant no civil war and and end to the bloodshed.

You really need to follow your own advice then.

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thats not what the poll says, thats the slant put on it by those with a vested interest in getting rid off assad, read it

According to the latest opinion poll commissioned by The Doha Debates, Syrians are more supportive of their president with 55% not wanting him to resign. One of the main reasons given by those wanting the president to stay in power was fear for the future of the country.

does it say anywhere they suport him purely if it meant no civil war and an end to the bloodshed? no it doesnt, you said that, not the people of syria. they may have pragmatic reasons for supporting him, but the only fact presented there is that 55% of them do, the rest is conjecture and therefore worthless.

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Yes, and we should done a while back in my opinion. If Syria was rich in oil, such as Libya I would hazzard a very good bet that we, along with the U.S would have been involved a long time ago.

Syria is hugely importance in the international oil trade.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/editorial/3829481-power-politics-around-syria

In a SHOCKING turn of events, everyone is backing their corporations' interests.

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there are many reports of white westerners carrying out some of these acts of 'slaughter' btw. white westerners as in the cia and mi6, britain has a group of people called the increment, mixture of mi6 and sas operatives, they are allegedly killing syrian civilians to blame it on assad, large numbers of them, in very brutal fashion. there are many reports of this if you look for them, you just wont find them on the bbc.

:lol: You really need to get out more and stop watching fictional movies. Have you ever visited any country in the middle east to see first hand what is going on? I suggest you may need to be accompanied by your parents as it sounds like you're too young to go alone.

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They should be left to slaughter each other.Back Assad and you are backing a dictator type. Back "the rebels" and you are backing a bunch of vile Islamic rapists, cut throats and general islamic scum who will impose that shite on a terrified population.

We can't win, just letting them kill each other in the sand is the least worst option.

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They should be left to slaughter each other.Back Assad and you are backing a dictator type. Back "the rebels" and you are backing a bunch of vile Islamic rapists, cut throats and general islamic scum who will impose that shite on a terrified population.

We can't win, just letting them kill each other in the sand is the least worst option.

Actually, I feel the same way to an extent - for once we should sit this one out. That region's full of vile dictator types, Assad being one of them, but it's naive to think that if he's toppled he'll be replaced by what we understand as a functional democratic state. It's not exactly worked out that way in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia etc.

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Actually, I feel the same way to an extent - for once we should sit this one out. That region's full of vile dictator types, Assad being one of them, but it's naive to think that if he's toppled he'll be replaced by what we understand as a functional democratic state. It's not exactly worked out that way in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia etc.

The dictator types cause their own problems, BUT they supressed the religious nutters who have seized the day in some of these countries. Replacing oppressive selfish dictators with another set of nutters. Its pretty much the middle ages down that part of the planet, and theres virtually no chance of seeing functional democracy with these clowns.

We can send baked beans and bandages and that should be it really. One side or other will use our military presence as an excuse to further their ambitions. We will never be able to do the right thing by them, nor should we try to.

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From january

http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

U.S. 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad's regime'

Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'Obama issued warning to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that use of chemical warfare was 'totally unacceptable'By LOUISE BOYLEPUBLISHED: 14:16 EST, 29 January 2013 | UPDATED: 14:16 EST, 29 January 2013Comments (33)ShareLeaked emails have allegedly proved that the White House gave the green light to a chemical weapons attack in Syria that could be blamed on Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country.A report released on Monday contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence where a scheme 'approved by Washington' is outlined explaining that Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons.Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.

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The dictator types cause their own problems, BUT they supressed the religious nutters who have seized the day in some of these countries. Replacing oppressive selfish dictators with another set of nutters. Its pretty much the middle ages down that part of the planet, and theres virtually no chance of seeing functional democracy with these clowns.

We can send baked beans and bandages and that should be it really. One side or other will use our military presence as an excuse to further their ambitions. We will never be able to do the right thing by them, nor should we try to.

Your pal Owen is with you.. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/for-the-syrians-sakes-and-for-our-own-we-must-not-intervene-8784220.html

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Listened to an interesting documentary on the radio at the weekend about the history of the Middle East and democracy.

The majority of these countries have been fucked since WW1 when the West marked borders around countries that the people inside don't want to be in. Small tribes are rulling over the majority and fucking them over again and again.

Perhaps the best thing is to readjust borders to suit each people?

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