Mark Connolly Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, Left Back said: America tried to ban booze once. Look how prohibition turned out. Broadly similar to how the drug trade is now. This actually supports the argument that drugs should be legal. Prohibiting something doesn't stop people from getting it. It simply criminalises them but also drives up the price making it lucrative for criminals to supply the banned substances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: Yeah, drug mules do no harm at all to wider society....... .....apart from feeding addiction, wrecking lives, wrecking entire communities and funding organised crime across the world. Drug addicts should be helped. Drugs mules and anyone else involved in the food chain should be burned with fire. They most CERTAINLY should not be allowed to media whore their way to a fortune on the back of their crime. I disagree with Oaksoft regularly about a lot of things. But not here. Agree with this sentiment 100%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I think this only works if it’s legalised everywhere, otherwise you still have criminal gangs and the devastation they cause involved somewhere down the line. I do agree it should be legalised though. I agree with this as well. A recent conversion for me as I've always been totally against legalisation. Guess Lockdown has given me time to think - if we were to start from scratch, how would we do it? Either we ban everything (booze, tobacco, drugs) or we legalise everything. And in legalising it, we can ensure that the stuff is safe, and administered safely, and tax it. At the same time as putting these crime bosses out of business. Age of 41 and I can change my mind. I always assumed I would keep the same opinion on this forever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm in favour of legalisation but have zero respect for recreational coke users who think they're not doing any harm. The damage done to civil society in the producer countries with immense wealth being put into the hands of some truly evil c***s, down to children being recruited as dealers in this country, means there's nothing harmless or innocent by having just a wee snort. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm in favour of legalisation but have zero respect for recreational coke users who think they're not doing any harm. The damage done to civil society in the producer countries with immense wealth being put into the hands of some truly evil c***s, down to children being recruited as dealers in this country, means there's nothing harmless or innocent by having just a wee snort. You could say the same thing about buying a phone with materials mined by child slaves in Africa. Or anything by Nestle. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) If folk don't think coke use is a good and moral thing that's fine. Playing out some revenge porn fantasy in their minds on two young working class lassies trying to make a few quid is a weird look though. You're also going to be furious when you find out how precious metals and oil is produced. Edited July 28, 2021 by invergowrie arab 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: If folk don't think coke use is a good and moral thing that's fine. Playing out some revenge porn fantasy in their minds on two young working class lassies trying to make a few quid is a weird look though. You're also going to be furious when you find out how precious metals and oil is produced. No great sympathy for the mules but they were as much victims of the "War on Drugs" as anyone else. And I'm a total hypocrite in that I don't think I've ever refused a line but stay on my moral high ground by being able to say I've never paid for it (hardly ever anyways).. Edited July 28, 2021 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Not sure if it’s “decriminalized” or more but Portugal has certainly made a move to make drugs legal. What has helped reduce their addiction problem is not just this, but using the money that would have been spent prosecuting and incarcerating users on job creation and recovery programmes.Of course, this would never work in the US as it’s too much like “socialism”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It's the illegality of it with the knock on effect on increased organised crime which is the problem for me because it destroys lives way beyond those taking the drugs themselves. If it was legal, organised crime wouldn't hire any drug mules. Welshbairn is correct, without the War on Drugs none of these people exist. Happy to accept we're only in minor disagreement here though and agree generally on the way forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I am pretty sure that in oil and precious metal production, we typically don't have all-out gang wars with live decapitations of still-alive and conscious rivals being posted all over the internet. Always happy to be proven wrong. "two young working class lassies trying to make a few quid". Another one trying to portray them as victims. Coltan mining in the Congo which we require for laptops/mobile phones has all of that. OK I don't know if they are posted all over the internet because I am not a fan of watching that stuff, but the human rights abuses are comparable if not worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 The Congo has been fucked up ever since the Belgians invaded, so it's hard to say whether the rare metal mining has made things worse or better. There is absolutely no doubt what has caused the misery in Mexico. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I am pretty sure that in oil and precious metal production, we typically don't have all-out gang wars with live decapitations of still-alive and conscious rivals being posted all over the internet. Always happy to be proven wrong. "two young working class lassies trying to make a few quid". Another one trying to portray them as victims. They arent victims but they aren't Rose West either. I suggest you take a look into who Shell contract to do what in the Niger Delta https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/was-shell-complicit-in-murder/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Thev oil industry probably funds 90% of the coke trade in North east Scotland too but probably harsh to hold them responsible for that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 42 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Not sure what you think we're in minor disagreement about. I think we are saying exactly the same thing. Legalising drugs removes the associated organised crime at a stroke. Banning things is the root of pretty much all organised crime. In that you think drug mules are scum, I don't agree. We agree everywhere else I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: The Congo has been fucked up ever since the Belgians invaded, so it's hard to say whether the rare metal mining has made things worse or better. There is absolutely no doubt what has caused the misery in Mexico. Maybe read up on the history of Mexico. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 A certain bank, owned at the time by the taxpayer, was used to launder billions in cartel money so in a way we’ve had a trial run at state-approved coke. I’d love to see Frosties replace the sugar with cocaine. What a way to start the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Thev oil industry probably funds 90% of the coke trade in North east Scotland too but probably harsh to hold them responsible for that one. Used to be the fishing industry that kept the heroin trade booming there, but those times may have gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 8 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: they weren't strangling kittens. Has this be proven? I’ve heard from a VERY good source the whole reason for getting involved in international drug trafficking was a cover up for them traveling around hunting for the ideal kitten to strangle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Cokeheads always get over defensive when anything even mildly critical is said about their wee habit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I am pretty sure that in oil and precious metal production, we typically don't have all-out gang wars with live decapitations of still-alive and conscious rivals being posted all over the internet. Always happy to be proven wrong. "two young working class lassies trying to make a few quid". Another one trying to portray them as victims. Pretty sure we’ve had wars over oil, possibly over precious metals as well at some point in history. Whether it’s due to the production or procurement thereof is immaterial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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