mishtergrolsch Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Imo save your cash. If you like plot holes and pointless side quests then this is the film for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) Despite the D.A.F.C. point of it being a rehash of Empire Strikes Back being a complete pile of shite, there is one point of it which remains the same. I think we're still waiting on the rest of what makes it a rehash from D.A.F.C. Edited December 28, 2017 by Randy Giles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Saw it today. Not a huge Star Wars fan - liked the original and grew up with 4, 5 and 6 then watched 1, 2 and 3 in horror; avoided TFA originally but saw much later and thought it was good but not as good as Rogue One - so I'm not fussed about delving into storylines and mythology and stuff. I do like an epic film though. Overall I was a bit disappointed. 30 minutes too long, too much retreading of old ground, it sagged in the middle where it lacked pace and energy and the wee cute things with Chewie really annoyed me for some reason. Not sure if it's more or less than BB-8 mind you. The pluses were Hammil and Driver who were both excellent, Ade Edmonson turning up, Yoda and the wee twist just before the very end. Surely Rey is Kylo Ren's sister though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 No, she definitely isn't. If she was why would Han and Leia abandon her? She's nearly the same age as Kylo, so the argument that they did it because Kylo turned to the dark side doesn't make sense because she was abandoned when she was very young, perhaps as young as 3 or 4. Kylo never turned to the dark side when he was about 15 or 16 going by TLJ.. Why would they never tell her? Why would Luke not tell her? Why would Chewie not tell her? Why would Kylo not tell her? Why would Snoke not tell her? Etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn Hooch Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Rey is an average woman who comes from an unremarkable lineage....that's what makes the story...everyone is part of the force and those who learn to channel it can do extraordinary things. Luke practically says this in the movie. Nobody was kicking up as much of a fuss when Anakin was revealed to be a slave from an unremarkable family and he became one of the most powerful sith lords. I'm looking forward to the conclusion of the story and how it'll play out but don't count on there being a twist in the Rey's parentage storyline 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 6 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Saw it today. Not a huge Star Wars fan - liked the original and grew up with 4, 5 and 6 then watched 1, 2 and 3 in horror; avoided TFA originally but saw much later and thought it was good but not as good as Rogue One - so I'm not fussed about delving into storylines and mythology and stuff. I do like an epic film though. Overall I was a bit disappointed. 30 minutes too long, too much retreading of old ground, it sagged in the middle where it lacked pace and energy and the wee cute things with Chewie really annoyed me for some reason. Not sure if it's more or less than BB-8 mind you. The pluses were Hammil and Driver who were both excellent, Ade Edmonson turning up, Yoda and the wee twist just before the very end. Surely Rey is Kylo Ren's sister though? Indeed. This is surely the great unsaid? It isn't a subtle film but this really has to be the subtext that we'll see played-out in the next part, no? I went to see it this evening with my son. Apart from paying £34.50 for two of us at the Odeon on Tottenham Court Road I thought it was a terrific yarn and will certainly watch it again. I detested the previous film but this one was immeasurably better. Yes, there were plot-holes and sure some of it made little sense and certainly Carrie Fisher is/was as atrocious an actor as it's possible to be and still get a gig. Also, editing it down to 2 hours wouldn't be difficult but I'd thoroughly recommend it to those who've not seen it yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 The more obsessive fans that understand all the timelines involved think the sister of Kylo thing doesn't work. No idea how that works, but they usually get those things right. At the end of the teddy bear's picnic film in the first trilogy Anakin Skywalker appeared as a force ghost along with Yoda and Obiwan Kenobi after Luke had a funeral pyre for his father's remains. That raises the question of why he doesn't return Yoda and Obiwan style to tell his grandson Kylo Ren to get a grip and drop his Darth Vader fixation. Think the answer is that he has since reincarnated as Rey somehow and the next episode will be Vader wannabe last of the Skywalkers vs Anakin reincarnation and new chosen one bringing balance to the force. The wee dude with the broom at the end will probably be the hero of the next trilogy, so Rey is very much expendable if Daisy Ridley sticks to her guns about being out after the three trilogy films she is contracted for and will probably be no more successful than Luke was on bringing everything to resolution anyway given that would be no more trilogies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 13 hours ago, DA Baracus said: No, she definitely isn't. If she was why would Han and Leia abandon her? She's nearly the same age as Kylo, so the argument that they did it because Kylo turned to the dark side doesn't make sense because she was abandoned when she was very young, perhaps as young as 3 or 4. Kylo never turned to the dark side when he was about 15 or 16 going by TLJ.. Why would they never tell her? Why would Luke not tell her? Why would Chewie not tell her? Why would Kylo not tell her? Why would Snoke not tell her? Etc. I think now, especially after TLJ, it REALLY dosent matter. The prequels kind of make this whole "she must be so-and-sos daughter" daft anyway. Hundreds of Jedi who had normal parents. Obi Wan didnt have Jedi parents that we know of, either did Mace Windu or even Yoda. Thats the only bit of this film i thought was a good plot point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 12 hours ago, Cptn Hooch said: Rey is an average woman who comes from an unremarkable lineage....that's what makes the story...everyone is part of the force and those who learn to channel it can do extraordinary things. Luke practically says this in the movie. Nobody was kicking up as much of a fuss when Anakin was revealed to be a slave from an unremarkable family and he became one of the most powerful sith lords. I'm looking forward to the conclusion of the story and how it'll play out but don't count on there being a twist in the Rey's parentage storyline The whole big thing about anakin was the jesus style birth though, his old dear said he didn't have a father so "the force" must have knocked her up to produce the chosen one, this time rey has been told both her parents were drunk nobodies, totally different situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Saw it yesterday and thought it was overall a good film. Particular highlights were some of the space battles. However, I did have to laugh at the absurdity of Leia floating through space like it was a fucking Fatboy Slim video. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 So who was the wee guy at the end who was sweeping? I might have made this up but I’m sure he picked up his broom using force like powers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud131 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 So who was the wee guy at the end who was sweeping? I might have made this up but I’m sure he picked up his broom using force like powers? Yeah he did. I just assumed it was showing that there others out there who had the force in them, suggesting that the jedis may not be over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, spud131 said: Yeah he did. I just assumed it was showing that there others out there who had the force in them, suggesting that the jedis may not be over. He was wearing a resistance/rebellion ring as well wasn't he, so no doubt he'll be in some future film at some point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauzee#4 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: He was wearing a resistance/rebellion ring as well wasn't he, so no doubt he'll be in some future film at some point Is he not the bairn that Finn and Rose met? If so she must have given him it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 On 12/29/2017 at 02:54, LongTimeLurker said: The more obsessive fans that understand all the timelines involved think the sister of Kylo thing doesn't work. No idea how that works, but they usually get those things right. At the end of the teddy bear's picnic film in the first trilogy Anakin Skywalker appeared as a force ghost along with Yoda and Obiwan Kenobi after Luke had a funeral pyre for his father's remains. That raises the question of why he doesn't return Yoda and Obiwan style to tell his grandson Kylo Ren to get a grip and drop his Darth Vader fixation. Think the answer is that he has since reincarnated as Rey somehow and the next episode will be Vader wannabe last of the Skywalkers vs Anakin reincarnation and new chosen one bringing balance to the force. The wee dude with the broom at the end will probably be the hero of the next trilogy, so Rey is very much expendable if Daisy Ridley sticks to her guns about being out after the three trilogy films she is contracted for and will probably be no more successful than Luke was on bringing everything to resolution anyway given that would be no more trilogies. Not a chance. TFA and TLJ have very purposely moved away from such fanboy shite. The wee lad with the broom isn't important either, at least not as an individual, which is what TLJ was trying to say. 2 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: He was wearing a resistance/rebellion ring as well wasn't he, so no doubt he'll be in some future film at some point Rose gave him the ring. Doubt he's in any way important. It was just to show that folk with the force and folk who can be part of the Resistance can come from any background. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I thought the whole point was that the kids were spreading the resistance story and that Luke had come back and galvanised them. They may be few now, but I think the message was that the resistance will gain followers again and start to fight back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Not a chance. TFA and TLJ have very purposely moved away from such fanboy shite. The wee lad with the broom isn't important either, at least not as an individual, which is what TLJ was trying to say. The thing that remains to be explained about Rey is why she is so strong with the Force and the Anakin reincarnation thing would tie that up nicely and silence all the Mary Sue complaints once and for all, especially if she is going to be the founder of a new Jedi Order with Yoda showing up as a force ghost to guide her as appeared to be the reason why she would wind up with the old books from the island. With that out the way they have a clean slate for the next trilogy revolving around the first generation of new Jedi that she trains. Given the same director is involved on that as with TLJ the only reason for the convoluted casino planet side plot appeared to me to be to set the stage for that in some way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: Not a chance. TFA and TLJ have very purposely moved away from such fanboy shite. The wee lad with the broom isn't important either, at least not as an individual, which is what TLJ was trying to say. Rose gave him the ring. Doubt he's in any way important. It was just to show that folk with the force and folk who can be part of the Resistance can come from any background. I doubt they would show his obvious force powers if he wasn't important although it maybe a red herring, seems strange to include it at all (him using the force thing, not the boy being in the resistance thing) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: The thing that remains to be explained about Rey is why she is so strong with the Force and the Anakin reincarnation thing would tie that up nicely and silence all the Mary Sue complaints once and for all, especially if she is going to be the founder of a new Jedi Order with Yoda showing up as a force ghost to guide her as appeared to be the reason why she would wind up with the old books from the island. With that out the way they have a clean slate for the next trilogy revolving around the first generation of new Jedi that she trains. Given the same director is involved on that as with TLJ the only reason for the convoluted casino planet side plot appeared to me to be to set the stage for that in some way. We don't need to know why she's so strong with the force. We never knew why Palpatine, Yoda, Obi Wan, Mace Windi, Qui Gon, Darth Maul or Count Dooku were all so strong with the force. Maybe she just has a high midichlorian count... These new films are trying to get as many new viewers and fans, and some boring pish that was introduced in the widely despised prequels would just confuse new fans. Frankly everything to do with the prequels should get the f**k to f**k 5 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: I doubt they would show his obvious force powers if he wasn't important although it maybe a red herring, seems strange to include it at all (him using the force thing, not the boy being in the resistance thing) It was to drive home the point that you don't have be 'someone' to be strong in the force and to make a difference. It was an attempt to reinforce that Rey came from nothing and no one but has become someone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 For me it's more about how Rey is capable of suddenly 'picking up' the Force in a way others didn't, especially without any teaching. With the characters DA mentioned, I just presumed they'd have showed some ability before spending a while sussing it out / being taught. Luke for example spent ages in a swamp trying to lift a single rock (with much difficulty), whereas Rey can miraculously do all sorts a few days after spending a lifetime dragging giant scraps of metal through the scorching desert for quarter portions, which must really suck knowing you could have done the same with your mind whilst on a dune with a cool box full of gin and tonic all this time btw. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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