LongTimeLurker Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The seethe continues. Ruth Dudley Edwards' book, The Faithful Tribe, seemed to go down quite well amongst some of them despite being written by a woman from Dublin from an irish Nationalist background: http://www.amazon.com/Faithful-Tribe-The-Loyal-Institutions/dp/0002558637 Think that book could be viewed as an attempt at intelligent discussion of Orangeism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Not a lot of point following up the LOL related posts, because I seriously doubt that most of the people spewing bile about that particular organisation are actually interested in intelligent discussion of the topic as opposed to an exchange of tribalistic insults. If anyone is interested in how the UK's Glorious Revolution related constitution shapes its modern politics and culture in a way that makes it markedly different from most other western countries (the LOL is just one manifestation of that) I'd recommend the writings of Tom Nairn as being worth a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nairn Funnily enough I've studied constitutional law and already know a great deal about the Glorious Revolution and can see that it was largely a good thing (for everyone apart from Irish Catholics at least), and yet I haven't started a single triumphalist sectarian organization. Edited October 7, 2013 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The seethe continues. Ruth Dudley Edwards' book, The Faithful Tribe, seemed to go down quite well amongst some of them despite being written by a woman from Dublin from an irish Nationalist background: http://www.amazon.com/Faithful-Tribe-The-Loyal-Institutions/dp/0002558637 Think that book could be viewed as an attempt at intelligent discussion of Orangeism. That's all well and good. Would you say, however, that an in-depth knowledge of the events leading up to and following the Glorious Revolution, and its impact on the UK Constitution, is known to a great extent by the majority of LOL members? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussy Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 That's all well and good. Would you say, however, that an in-depth knowledge of the events leading up to and following the Glorious Revolution, and its impact on the UK Constitution, is known to a great extent by the majority of LOL members? Not in my experience anyway. I've spent a lot of time researching Scottish constitutional and Covenanting literary history c. 1660-1689 and some of the arguments I've gotten into with OO members are a frightening indictment on their knowledge of the period. These are definite OO members, before anyone asks, the kind who post photos of their fun shenanigans in Belfast on Facebook. I once walked out the pub after being called a "Jacobite b*****d" whilst discussing the finer nuances of Charles II's viceroy set up in Scotland. Utterly abysmal levels of debate in my experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Do Northern Ireland have a cricket team? You could say that they've currently effectively got two The Northern Cricket Union covers Belfast and that end of NI. While the North Western Union is based around Londonderry/Derry and takes in a few places that are technically Connaught This year the inaugural Irish provincial championship featured just the North, Northwest and Leinster which is one more pro team than Scotland or Holland can currently manage. Belfast Tim and Jacks Grandad will be glad to know that the "Northern Knights" won the 2013 interprovinvial championship "Leinster Lightning" ran them close while the "Northwest Warriors" finished bottom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Funny enough one of the most popular places for cricket in Northern Ireland in the late 60's and early 70's was Falls Park, a friend of mine organised tournaments there many years ago in the summers, used to get very large numbers there too but think it was seen as a bit too British-y for the local politicians/hoods. There still are lots of leagues here though, junior cricket is flourishing ,my son plays for our local team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillinger Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Think Egg Chasing is the same IIRC. Weird they have some sports are deemed worthy of partition and some are not. All part of life in a borderline failed state that's riven by sectarian, fairy in the sky conflict, I suppose. Do you mean the Irish Republic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Not a lot of point following up the LOL related posts, because I seriously doubt that most of the people spewing bile about that particular organisation are actually interested in intelligent discussion of the topic as opposed to an exchange of tribalistic insults. If anyone is interested in how the UK's Glorious Revolution related constitution shapes its modern politics and culture in a way that makes it markedly different from most other western countries (the LOL is just one manifestation of that) I'd recommend the writings of Tom Nairn as being worth a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nairn Aye, I'm sure these guys are just fascinated by "how the UK's Glorious Revolution related constitution shapes its modern politics and culture".......give over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Aye, I'm sure these guys are just fascinated by "how the UK's Glorious Revolution related constitution shapes its modern politics and culture".......give over. They would need a hand spelling "UK" to be honest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 They would need a hand spelling "UK" to be honest Probably. But how much harder would it be for them to spell "RoI"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Probably. But how much harder would it be for them to spell "RoI"? waaaaayyyyyy beyond them, 3 letter words would take a special course, more than likely paid for by us . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Can we get back to the cricket? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Can we get back to the cricket? very well, you start 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 very well, you start I see Johan Botha (South African bowler) is being probed after suspicious bowling action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The seethe continues. Ruth Dudley Edwards' book, The Faithful Tribe, seemed to go down quite well amongst some of them despite being written by a woman from Dublin from an irish Nationalist background: http://www.amazon.com/Faithful-Tribe-The-Loyal-Institutions/dp/0002558637 Think that book could be viewed as an attempt at intelligent discussion of Orangeism. I have it, and it is a very interesting piece indeed. Of course, Dudley Edwards was dismissed as being too British by SF shortly after the book came out. They sure don't do irony, given her background. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain kirk Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 George Galloway today submitted the following motions which should appear on the order paper tomorrow (Tuesday) or Wednesday.British soldiers and sectarianism That this House condemns the reprehensible and ill-disciplined behaviour of members of the Armed Forces including some Royal Marine soldiers at Ibrox Park, the home of Glasgow Rangers, on Saturday 28th September 2013 on what was dubbed an “armed forces' day”; notes the sickening scenes as they chanted songs attacking Catholics, embraced braying fans and held up sectarian banners; questions the role of the senior officers who apparently sanctioned the event and appeared to take no action to halt the behaviour; and demands that those marines who joined in this hatefest are severely disciplined. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Barrett Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 George Galloway today submitted the following motions which should appear on the order paper tomorrow (Tuesday) or Wednesday.British soldiers and sectarianism That this House condemns the reprehensible and ill-disciplined behaviour of members of the Armed Forces including some Royal Marine soldiers at Ibrox Park, the home of Glasgow Rangers, on Saturday 28th September 2013 on what was dubbed an “armed forces' day”; notes the sickening scenes as they chanted songs attacking Catholics, embraced braying fans and held up sectarian banners; questions the role of the senior officers who apparently sanctioned the event and appeared to take no action to halt the behaviour; and demands that those marines who joined in this hatefest are severely disciplined. Surely that'll be the end of these armed forces days at Ibrox now. Not a bad thing as they are crass and only fuel the notion that most of the soldiers are bigots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 sickening scenes, braying fans, hatefest. HOUSE 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th1stleandr0se Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 George Galloway today submitted the following motions which should appear on the order paper tomorrow (Tuesday) or Wednesday.British soldiers and sectarianism That this House condemns the reprehensible and ill-disciplined behaviour of members of the Armed Forces including some Royal Marine soldiers at Ibrox Park, the home of Glasgow Rangers, on Saturday 28th September 2013 on what was dubbed an “armed forces' day”; notes the sickening scenes as they chanted songs attacking Catholics, embraced braying fans and held up sectarian banners; questions the role of the senior officers who apparently sanctioned the event and appeared to take no action to halt the behaviour; and demands that those marines who joined in this hatefest are severely disciplined. Make up your mind, George. Are you a Muslim or a Cafflik? You can't be both. Or can you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 He's an attention seeking cock who appears to be aware of only one side of the sectarian issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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