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1 minute ago, MixuFruit said:


Matt Stoller wrote an incredible series of articles about Boeing in the aftermath of the 737 max crisis. They've essentially been gutted of expertise in the name of "efficiency savings" aimed at maximising shareholder dividends. After reading his stuff I now check what the physical aircraft is I'm going to be flying in and if it's a Boeing I change the booking till it's and Airbus.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/11/boeing-capitalism-deregulation

Got to admit i was the same when i worked away anything Boeing scared the shit out me and i dont like flying at the best of times, Even the Boeing employees one of the whistleblowers said he wouldnt allow his family to fly in a Boeing plane they knew about the safety issues but denied all knowledge even after the Ethiopian airlines they tried to blame it on pilot error.

Even with the commercialising Space how far will it go before Profit comes before safety, Musk comes across as a perfectionist in a  Steve Jobs kind of way and i dont think he would allow it but Boeing sod that.

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2 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Got to admit i was the same when i worked away anything Boeing scared the shit out me and i dont like flying at the best of times, Even the Boeing employees one of the whistleblowers said he wouldnt allow his family to fly in a Boeing plane they knew about the safety issues but denied all knowledge even after the Ethiopian airlines they tried to blame it on pilot error.

Even with the commercialising Space how far will it go before Profit comes before safety, Musk comes across as a perfectionist in a  Steve Jobs kind of way and i dont think he would allow it but Boeing sod that.

I like the way Musk tests and tests again for safety, but if that's covered he's quite happy to see failures as part of the design process to blow up millions of dollars of equipment in the incremental learning process. Unlike Boeing who test on computers, put passengers on board, and see them crash.

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Just now, welshbairn said:

I like the way Musk tests and tests again for safety, but if that's covered he's quite happy to see failures as part of the design process to blow up millions of dollars of equipment in the incremental learning process. Unlike Boeing who test on computers, put passengers on board, and see them crash.

I watched the interview with him and as you say Musk with the constant testing said they want to push things to the limit on earth so as they know how far it will go before breaking, but as he said its not the fact its failing its learning why it failed and making things better

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3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Considering Elon Musk forced his Tesla factory in California to open in a pandemic I'm not sure his focus on safety is *that* refined

I fully accept he is often an arsehole, especially paying probably millions to lawyers to squash the diver in Thailand who he called a paedo, and his Covid related shite, but I'd forgive him most things if he does more stuff like this. Preferably from a moon base so he leaves this planet.

 

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7 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:


Really? I just found that a slightly vulgar car advert.

I'm afraid there's no hope for you in the space enthusiast community. Normally on a test launch they'd use a lump of concrete.

Here's a better version.

 

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See i like the way he is proving a point with the tesla car to prove it can be done but the fact we are throwing more shite into space the biggest one being the Starlink satellites as if cluttering up our own planet isnt bad enough.  He also finished that tunnel in Las Vegas recently with his boring company which in fairness is a genius idea to resolve gridlock traffic

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11 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

See i like the way he is proving a point with the tesla car to prove it can be done but the fact we are throwing more shite into space the biggest one being the Starlink satellites as if cluttering up our own planet isnt bad enough.  He also finished that tunnel in Las Vegas recently with his boring company which in fairness is a genius idea to resolve gridlock traffic

TBF the car is currently outside the orbit of Mars so is unlikely to crash into anything soon.

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https://spacein3d.com/starman

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19 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

TBF the car is currently outside the orbit of Mars so is unlikely to crash into anything soon.

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https://spacein3d.com/starman

Was there not speculation it was going to head directly for the sun.  Looked at that orbit does look close to the Sun /Mercury. Just watched them giving the tour of the Dragon capsule there looks bloody tiny. 

 

If they ever get that tesla back they will never get it sold have you seen the mileage on it ..lol

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26 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Was there not speculation it was going to head directly for the sun

Not sure, but I had a bet with Paddy Power that SpaceX would chuck something at Mars within Trump's first term. Thought they were a bit mean not paying out.

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2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Not sure, but I had a bet with Paddy Power that SpaceX would chuck something at Mars within Trump's first term. Thought they were a bit mean not paying out.

They should have done as thats the goal. the lunar base is the first step to Mars.  I think i heard on the radio this morning they are still on about that one way ticket to Mars sod that, first on the planet or not still wouldnt sign up.

Endeavour (Dragon capsule) due to dock at 1230 our time

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2 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

They should have done as thats the goal. the lunar base is the first step to Mars.  I think i heard on the radio this morning they are still on about that one way ticket to Mars sod that, first on the planet or not still wouldnt sign up.

Endeavour (Dragon capsule) due to dock at 1230 our time

Aye watching it now, last big burn coming up.

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 Although it sounds spectacular I'm not remotely tempted by a trip to Mars, stuck in a tin can for a year then being stuck in a caravan in a quarry and only being able to go outside with a diving suit. Worse than Covid lockdown! Moon I'd jump at.

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2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 Although it sounds spectacular I'm not remotely tempted by a trip to Mars, stuck in a tin can for a year then being stuck in a caravan in a quarry and only being able to go outside with a diving suit. Worse than Covid lockdown! Moon I'd jump at.

The moon one at least would be bearable the whole prospect of dying isolated on Mars doesnt sound like a good deal to me (like you say lock down is bad enough), some of the plans for the moon base as much as they sound far fetched are pretty doable especially with the 3d printer.  Think if anyone will achieve it Musk will edge Blue Origin and Sierra corporation i think though the starship lander for the moon is pretty ambitious compared to Blue origin.

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15 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

The moon one at least would be bearable the whole prospect of dying isolated on Mars doesnt sound like a good deal to me (like you say lock down is bad enough), some of the plans for the moon base as much as they sound far fetched are pretty doable especially with the 3d printer.  Think if anyone will achieve it Musk will edge Blue Origin and Sierra corporation i think though the starship lander for the moon is pretty ambitious compared to Blue origin.

If blowing up experimental rockets until they finally work is the key to success, Starship is right on track! I agree, it looks massively ambitious, especially the heat protection for re-entry just using stainless steel with little perforations and liquid coolant I believe. He keeps radically changing designs though, so the final iteration might be totally different. 

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24 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If blowing up experimental rockets until they finally work is the key to success, Starship is right on track! I agree, it looks massively ambitious, especially the heat protection for re-entry just using stainless steel with little perforations and liquid coolant I believe. He keeps radically changing designs though, so the final iteration might be totally different. 

Its the path of entry to the atmosphere, if you look at Virgin Galactic it relies on the body of the craft being vertical as it enters the atmosphere to create the drag to slow it down which is what Elon plans for Starship one and its landing on the moon,  hes expecting starship 4 to be destroyed (not sure if thats the one that blew up on Friday) i know he has a fleet of them. thing is no one ever thought it possible for to land the rockets  like he has done autonomously  with the falcon rockets to make them reuseable  it will be an amazing feat to see Starship land like that as well.  Just seen the BFR land on the drone ship after the launch was just as fascinating.  

 

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22 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Cracking shots from Crew Dragon at the mo. Rewind a few minutes for the views of ISS and Earth out the window.

You watching on the NASA youtube channel ?

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3 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

You watching on the NASA youtube channel ?

https://www.spacex.com/launches/ , think it's the same coverage. The stuff from inside dragon was just for about 10 minutes, best bit was the start, roughly 20 minutes ago? It rewinds easily if you missed it.

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1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

https://www.spacex.com/launches/ , think it's the same coverage. The stuff from inside dragon was just for about 10 minutes, best bit was the start, roughly 20 minutes ago? It rewinds easily if you missed it.

I was watching the NASA one just the different control rooms, just seen the footage must be some buzz seeing that, will get a better look at what i missed once they dock

 

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