topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Define the creator of the universe? That's a relatively trivial detail in comparison to the mindfuck of pondering the existence of existence itself 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartsmfc Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Fide said: If that was possible, who was the creator of the creator of the universe? And so on and so on. If a creator created the universe, then it must be outside of the universe meaning any understandings we have of the universe may not apply to the creator. For example, everything we can see is finite even the sun...so a creator could be outside of time and space meaning it's always existed. I'm frazzling my own brain ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 If a creator created the universe, then it must be outside of the universe meaning any understandings we have of the universe may not apply to the creator. For example, everything we can see is finite even the sun...so a creator could be outside of time and space meaning it's always existed. I'm frazzling my own brain ! How could "creating" mean anything without a context of time to separate when the object hadn't been created from when it had. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, stuartsmfc said: If a creator created the universe, then it must be outside of the universe meaning any understandings we have of the universe may not apply to the creator. For example, everything we can see is finite even the sun...so a creator could be outside of time and space meaning it's always existed. I'm frazzling my own brain ! There are just some things about the Universe that we don't fully understand. It's very big and has been around for a very long time, and we've only been trying seriously to find out about it for a few hundred years. Explaining any gaps in our knowledge by postulating that the tooth fairy must have done it, does not advance understanding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Maybe time is a relatively new concept in regards to the universe? We won't ever have the capacity to understand everything or we would have made bigger strides than we have already. We also don't know if everything we see is finite though as you have the likes of dark matter which we have little to no understanding of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartsmfc Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There are just some things about the Universe that we don't fully understand. It's very big and has been around for a very long time, and we've only been trying seriously to find out about it for a few hundred years. Explaining any gaps in our knowledge by postulating that the tooth fairy must have done it, does not advance understanding. I think previous civilisations knew a lot more than we think. We think we know a lot through science but really it is limited in its explanations. The universe appears to have been fine tuned, by what, how and why? I have no idea. I watched a short video a while ago showing the mathematical possibility of us being here by chance and it's very very low. I'll try and find it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, stuartsmfc said: I think previous civilisations knew a lot more than we think. We think we know a lot through science but really it is limited in its explanations. The universe appears to have been fine tuned, by what, how and why? I have no idea. I watched a short video a while ago showing the mathematical possibility of us being here by chance and it's very very low. I'll try and find it That's a total misunderstanding of probability. We're here because of what happened before, that's just how it is. Richard Feynman explained it well. Quote You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won't believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance that I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 hours ago, monkeyblair said: My wife has a fascination for Dr Brian Cox and as such I bought us both tickets for his 'gig' at the Hydro. I basically sat for an hour and a half confused as f**k. That's fucking PROFESSOR Brian Cox, thankyou. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 The universe is flat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 What if our universe was the dark matter of the dark matter universe? Like when 'stuff' in their universe collides it creates ours?Another one I thought of is a matrix type scenario where we are just like a rabbit hutch contained in some bigger Truman show type situation?One question I have is what is the universe expanding into? Is it limitless or will it expand them contract? I watched a documentary that fucked my head up by saying that eventually there would just be nothingness. Would rather that it went out with a big bang than just moving apart and dying off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 If there was a heaven and God and shit, I'd spend about 40% of my time hanging around Dawkins & Gervais watching smug religious types abusing them endlessly. The rest would be watching Michael Caine wish for an end to existence as everyone did their best impression of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: One question I have is what is the universe expanding into? Is it limitless or will it expand them contract? I watched a documentary that fucked my head up by saying that eventually there would just be nothingness. Would rather that it went out with a big bang than just moving apart and dying off. It's not expanding into anything. The Universe contains everything in existence, so if there was something outside the universe this would be part of the universe too. With the universe's expansion, it's not expanding into anything, but it is expanding.... And the fate of the universe you're talking about is heat death. This is pretty interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_timeline_from_Big_Bang_to_Heat_Death 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 If there was a heaven and God and shit, I'd spend about 40% of my time hanging around Dawkins & Gervais watching smug religious types abusing them endlessly. The rest would be watching Michael Caine wish for an end to existence as everyone did their best impression of him. You'd think if anyone would believe in an afterlife it would be Gervais.He's seen personally watched his career go to hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyblair Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 12 hours ago, Fide said: That's fucking PROFESSOR Brian Cox, thankyou. That's how uninterested I was. I was actually waiting for a rendition of Things Can Only Get Better but that didn't happen either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 On 29/06/2017 at 06:36, D.A.F.C said: What if our universe was the dark matter of the dark matter universe? Like when 'stuff' in their universe collides it creates ours?Another one I thought of is a matrix type scenario where we are just like a rabbit hutch contained in some bigger Truman show type situation? One question I have is what is the universe expanding into? Is it limitless or will it expand them contract? I watched a documentary that fucked my head up by saying that eventually there would just be nothingness. Would rather that it went out with a big bang than just moving apart and dying off. I think it was the creators of The Matrix and The Truman Show that thought of those scenarios rather than yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 On 6/28/2017 at 23:36, D.A.F.C said: One question I have is what is the universe expanding into? Is it limitless or will it expand them contract? Another universe. In that universe they're watching in horror as this big bubble expands into their bubble, destroying everything it touches. Meanwhile, their universe is expanding into another universe... I'm calling it the Bubble Universe theory and I thunked it first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I think it was the creators of The Matrix and The Truman Show that thought of those scenarios rather than yourself. That's what they want you to think man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 The energy used by the United States in one year equals the energy output from the Sun in one millionth of a second. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The Cassini mission at Saturn ends this week after 13 years at the ringed planet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41222282 Will be such a shame to see this mission end. A shame there is nothing currently planned to replace it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 We Cassini sneaking out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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