throbber Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Last chance saloon. That time you were chilling with a mate and smoked a spliff while watching a film, did you think you deserved a fine/custodial sentence as well as a criminal record? Yes or No. Absolutely not, it didn't cross my mind once that i was doing something illegal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) If drugs were legalised they would be sold in safe quantities. This would significantly reduce the chances of binging or overdosing.Any proof for this claim or is it just an opinion?If alcohol was illegal, would there be more or less alcoholics in Scotland? Edited February 6, 2014 by blanco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie's Pigeon Feed Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Any proof for this claim or is it just an opinion? If alcohol was illegal, would there be more or less alcoholics in Scotland? You don't get 20 litre vats of vodka being sold in the shops. And of course it doesn't happen in any countries that have legalised drugs. If cars were illegal would there be more or less road deaths in Scotland? If fast food was illegal would there be more or less obesity deaths in Scotland? Do you want booze, cars and McDonald's outlawed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Oh Supras! I am absolutely loving your endless levels of stupidity! So stupid you can't read what YOU wrote and see the hypocrisy of you calling someone stupid. Have one last try at reading the two quotes and hopefully you'll finally realise your own hypocritical stupidity. If I have to spell it out to you there really is no point in you continuing to post on here pretending to be clever. As it stands you're making a right arse of it all as usual and looks like it's only gonna get worse. WTF are you on about? I genuinely have no idea. Any proof for this claim or is it just an opinion? If alcohol was illegal, would there be more or less alcoholics in Scotland? You don't get 20 litre vats of vodka being sold in the shops. And of course it doesn't happen in any countries that have legalised drugs. If cars were illegal would there be more or less road deaths in Scotland? If fast food was illegal would there be more or less obesity deaths in Scotland? Do you want booze, cars and McDonald's outlawed? Pretty much, although it's always been a part of my proposed legalisation that drugs are only ever sold in safe quantities. Why would it be in any other way? Say you purchase ecstasy at a club, this will be regulated, controlled and you will only be allowed to take a safe dosage. Say you go to a medical facility to buy heroin, not only is it a safe dose it will be consumed in a safe environment - as works brilliantly in Canada. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 WTF are you on about? I genuinely have no idea. Pretty much, although it's always been a part of my proposed legalisation that drugs are only ever sold in safe quantities. Why would it be in any other way? Say you purchase ecstasy at a club, this will be regulated, controlled and you will only be allowed to take a safe dosage. Say you go to a medical facility to buy heroin, not only is it a safe dose it will be consumed in a safe environment - as works brilliantly in Canada. What a load of complete and utter bullshit. You live in a fucking fantasy land. So the state would dictate the amount of drugs you are allowed to take? So a crackhead/smackhead/meth head wants to get completely off their tits and are told, " Sorry, this is all your allowed to take today". Does the druggie just walk out and say "Oh well"? This is almost as bizarre an argument as you saying a meth head should be given their ice in a controlled environment despite you later admitting to not having a clue as to the effects of crystal meth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 What a load of complete and utter bullshit. You live in a fucking fantasy land. So the state would dictate the amount of drugs you are allowed to take? So a crackhead/smackhead/meth head wants to get completely off their tits and are told, " Sorry, this is all your allowed to take today". Does the druggie just walk out and say "Oh well"? It's not a fantasy land, it's a rigorous and reviewed model that I have posted in depth on this site on several occasions. What's happening here, is that you're sore as f**k that I've totally destroyed you on this thread (in every conceivable way) so will lash out at eminently logical proposals. But, in reference to your second paragraph, here is where it works absolutely brilliantly with heroin in Canada - http://www.psmag.com/science/vancouvers-free-heroin-injection-clinic-58029/ And in the UK - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8255418.stm You've brought up meth completely inappropriately in this thread already, but if a "meth head" wanted to consume more drugs the very best place he could be is a government facility. If he's aggressive towards, he'll be imprisoned instantly. Simple as that. This is almost as bizarre an argument as you saying a meth head should be given their ice in a controlled environment despite you later admitting to not having a clue as to the effects of crystal meth. You've said this twice. And it still never happened. I know significantly more about the effects of crystal meth than you, obviously, but I'm not going to claim to be an expert in the chemical make up of every currently illegal drug. Especially one that isn't even remotely an issue in the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie bobson Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 " Jail for growing a plant ? " A gypsy laughed c/o Highland papers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I don't know that much about the effects of Crystal Meth, I've never claimed I did, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I don't know that much about the effects of Crystal Meth, I've never claimed I did, Er, yeah, a factually correct statement. And not at all what you claimed here: despite you later admitting to not having a clue as to the effects of crystal meth. Below is what you wrote after calling me stupid, and what you failed to notice after I quoted and suggested I might have to SPELL it out for you. Drug. Singular. That was it? FFS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I know significantly more about the effects of crystal meth than you, obviously, No you don't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Supras Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 No you don't. Okay, demonstrate to me your knowledge and credentials. And whilst you are there tell me exactly why we should imprison people solely for the voluntary consumption of a product. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 You don't get 20 litre vats of vodka being sold in the shops. And of course it doesn't happen in any countries that have legalised drugs. If cars were illegal would there be more or less road deaths in Scotland? If fast food was illegal would there be more or less obesity deaths in Scotland? Do you want booze, cars and McDonald's outlawed? 20 litre vats of vodka have never been a requirement to binge drink AFAIK, as for the second point, I wouldn't outlaw anything, I was simply asking how he came to the absurd conclusion that legality of drugs combats bingeing. People do things to excess because it's in their nature not because of the legal status of what they're consuming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Oh really You're not worth debating, carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 You're not worth debating, carry on. I hate you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 20 litre vats of vodka have never been a requirement to binge drink AFAIK, as for the second point, I wouldn't outlaw anything, I was simply asking how he came to the absurd conclusion that legality of drugs combats bingeing. People do things to excess because it's in their nature not because of the legal status of what they're consuming. Er, and I answered that fully with a very detailed and specific answer as to how it would work in practice. So it's not "absurd" you just didn't have the knowledge to understand it. Glad I've now passed it on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) On the actual question I voted yes, I've never tried it and thats unlikely to change but from seeing friends take it for years I have no problem with weed and for all the reasons stated, it makes sense. On the argument that all drugs should be legalised, I find that one completely unworkable, I can follow Supras's logic for it but (if I've got what he's saying) I can pop down to my local heroin clinic for my regular fix and alls peachy, I hand over my cash and I'm sorted. What would happen if I lose my job/retire and can't afford it now ? Do I get it off the NHS (why work then ?) or do I resort to the current system of committing crimes to feed my habit (government condoned/assisted) to buy illegal (and possibly cheaper crappier) replacements. Would I then deserve to be punished by the criminal justice system for building a habit that the government have had a hand in creating ? While I'm no fan of the nanny state surely they would have some kind of duty of care, possibly making any official 'heroin shops' fairly cost prohibitive for a lot of users. There's also the 'masses' who vote for our policy makers, who rely on the 'masses' for their jobs. Suggesting to these masses that the government want to set up 'heroin shops' would be a vote loser so the masses would need to be 'educated' that its acceptable. Cannabis would, I would imagine be acceptable to a lot, if not most but much more than that I think no matter how much some may want it (and how much 'logic' they may use) they'll be pushing against public opinion which doesn't really have to rely on anything, personal prejudice can go a long way. Its back to convincing people that its the best course which is doubtful at best. Edited February 9, 2014 by chomp my root 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie's Pigeon Feed Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 On the actual question I voted yes, I've never tried it and thats unlikely to change but from seeing friends take it for years I have no problem with weed and for all the reasons stated, it makes sense. On the argument that all drugs should be legalised, I find that one completely unworkable, I can follow Supras's logic for it but (if I've got what he's saying) I can pop down to my local heroin clinic for my regular fix and alls peachy, I hand over my cash and I'm sorted. What would happen if I lose my job/retire and can't afford it now ? Do I get it off the NHS (why work then ?) or do I resort to the current system of committing crimes to feed my habit (government condoned/assisted) to buy illegal (and possibly cheaper crappier) replacements. Would I then deserve to be punished by the criminal justice system for building a habit that the government have had a hand in creating ? While I'm no fan of the nanny state surely they would have some kind of duty of care, possibly making any official 'heroin shops' fairly cost prohibitive for a lot of users. There's also the 'masses' who vote for our policy makers, who rely on the 'masses' for their jobs. Suggesting to these masses that the government want to set up 'heroin shops' would be a vote loser so the masses would need to be 'educated' that its acceptable. Cannabis would, I would imagine be acceptable to a lot, if not most but much more than that I think no matter how much some may want it (and how much 'logic' they may use) they'll be pushing against public opinion which doesn't really have to rely on anything, personal prejudice can go a long way. Its back to convincing people that its the best course which is doubtful at best. What happens when an alcoholic loses his job or retires? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 What happens when an alcoholic loses his job or retires? They get assistance from the NHS as you know, my point was that heroin shops would be quite expensive if the current booze/tabs tax levels were used to make the service more or less cost neutral. This may push people down the current root so what happens to these people ? Alcoholics/alcohol abusers who commit crimes aren't immune from the long arm of the law so I would assume that Drug users/addicts would be the same. The other strand of my argument is the acceptance angle and you agree surely that right or wrong people would be against it which firmly throws it back to the 'pro' camp to convince people to change their attitudes. The catch 22 of politicians and the voters would suggest (to me anyway) that the 'logic' of legalising all drugs would not be pushed (geddit) on us by politicians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Should weed become legal how would it be sold? Would specialised weed shops just start opening up and people could pop in and buy it or would it be available in bars/coffee shops or would it be in special weed sections of supermarkets? Only sold online perhaps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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