Thatcher deid

[robbie bobson]

[Lisa Cuddy]

Incidentally, I made a damn good Reynard joke there, far, far better than any of those tired and lazy "shed" efforts. Someone better fucking appreciate it!

I liked it, xbl. I liked it.

[Reynard]

Glenda Jackson has aged well. Compliments to her dentist.

[The OP]

My own opinion on the celebrations over Thatcher's death is that people feel the need to publicly show their hatred of the woman where they might not with a foreign dictator or terrorist because it's inevitable we'll be told by politicians and certain media outlets how fantastic she was.

[Uncle Psychosis]

My own opinion on the celebrations over Thatcher's death is that people feel the need to publicly show their hatred of the woman where they might not with a foreign dictator or terrorist because it's inevitable we'll be told by politicians and certain media outlets how fantastic she was.

I'm not sure that I agree with the dancing in the street celebrations, but at least one good thing about them is that its made it impossible for history to be whitewashed and for the establishment to rewrite history and pretend that she was universally loved (see also: Princess Diana).

[Reynard]

My own opinion on the celebrations over Thatcher's death is that people feel the need to publicly show their hatred of the woman where they might not with a foreign dictator or terrorist because it's inevitable we'll be told by politicians and certain media outlets how fantastic she was.

I was mainly laughing at the collection of leftie wankers that went into George Square and made an arse of themselves.

I couldn't give a f**k what anyone says about her on here, or FB or Twitter or anywhere else. I've heard it all before a million times anyway.

It was just hilarious that the collection of buckled left wing student wankers were not even born when she was in power and also celebrated her death by taking to the streets and drinking champagne, which helped to make a capitalist drinks company a little bit wealthier. Thatcher would have approved of that bit at least.

Everyone has the freedom to make a protest. I have the right to make fun of them for being arseholes.

[Granny Danger]

Reynard getting seriously rattled. I imagine the picture frames are taking a right battering just now.

Ad Lib refusing to admit he's been contradictory even when it has been shown he's been contradictory. I'd strongly advise people not to upset him any more.

Happy days.

[Reynard]

Has Granny Dangers attempts to be down with the kids actually worked then?

He is like an embarrassing old relative at a wedding.

[Tryfield]

How many lefties does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, they sit in the dark for 20 years and blame Thatcher for the last one going out.

[Cliche Guevara]

No, this is incorrect. You can hate, chastise and jeer Thatcher in death. But celebrating someone's death is inherently disrespectful. There is a line. Hating, chastising and jeering falls well short of celebrating someone's death.

Because he wasn't a personal friend and the circumstances of his death weren't particularly harrowing. The same reason I don't find Thatcher's death sad. They were both ageing people who I didn't know personally, who died from fairly common means of death.

What is disingenuous about my position? All I have said is that people saying "ding dong the witch is dead" is tasteless and that they're a bit sad for doing it. Same as Reynard's post about Chavez was crass, tasteless and a bit sad especially but not entirely given there is no reason for him to feel personal animosity towards someone who has had negligible effect on his life.

So who made you moral arbiter then? Who are you to decide where the 'line' is?

And, perhaps, people are being deliberately disrespectful because Thatcher actually deserves it. You can see plenty of intellingent, rational, reasonable, compassionate people letting their hatred for Thatcher out, and rightly so. It doesn't reflect negatively on those people in any way. This was always going to happen and it's been a long time coming.

The emotion will die down in a day or two but her destructive legacy will linger long. There absolutely needs to be a counter-balance to the anticipated eulogising and whitewashing of yet another sociopathic UK leader. The woman was heinous.

This is not some ned in a tracksuit, throwing an empty beer bottle at a serial-killer's police van type moment. There is a power, a necessity, and a certain beauty to most of the reaction to her death. Some people are judging the overall reaction by the actions of a very few who don't represent the majority, and shouldn't be seen to be detracting from what is, in my view, valid venting of emotion.

[WaffenThinMint]

How many lefties does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, they sit in the dark for 20 years and blame Thatcher for the last one going out.

Wrong punchline.

How many Socialist Workers Party members does it take to change a lightbulb?

"You can't CHANGE the lightbulb, Comrades, we've gotta SMASH it!"

[Supras]

So who made you moral arbiter then? Who are you to decide where the 'line' is?

And, perhaps, people are being deliberately disrespectful because Thatcher actually deserves it. You can see plenty of intellingent, rational, reasonable, compassionate people letting their hatred for Thatcher out, and rightly so. It doesn't reflect negatively on those people in any way. This was always going to happen and it's been a long time coming.

The emotion will die down in a day or two but her destructive legacy will linger long. There absolutely needs to be a counter-balance to the anticipated eulogising and whitewashing of yet another sociopathic UK leader. The woman was heinous.

This is not some ned in a tracksuit, throwing an empty beer bottle at a serial-killer's police van type moment. There is a power, a necessity, and a certain beauty to most of the reaction to her death. Some people are judging the overall reaction by the actions of a very few who don't represent the majority, and shouldn't be seen to be detracting from what is, in my view, valid venting of emotion.

Plenty of intelligent, rational, reasonable, compassionate people totally disagree with this viewpoint.

[DEEJANGO]

Is she still dead?

[Reynard]

So who made you moral arbiter then? Who are you to decide where the 'line' is?

And, perhaps, people are being deliberately disrespectful because Thatcher actually deserves it. You can see plenty of intellingent, rational, reasonable, compassionate people letting their hatred for Thatcher out, and rightly so. It doesn't reflect negatively on those people in any way. This was always going to happen and it's been a long time coming.

The emotion will die down in a day or two but her destructive legacy will linger long. There absolutely needs to be a counter-balance to the anticipated eulogising and whitewashing of yet another sociopathic UK leader. The woman was heinous.

This is not some ned in a tracksuit, throwing an empty beer bottle at a serial-killer's police van type moment. There is a power, a necessity, and a certain beauty to most of the reaction to her death. Some people are judging the overall reaction by the actions of a very few who don't represent the majority, and shouldn't be seen to be detracting from what is, in my view, valid venting of emotion.

I take it that you judge yourself to amongst this gathering of intelligent, rational, reasonable and compassionate people then?

Your words show that you fall well short of any of these traits. The left has always had a high conceit of itself right enough, you should take your head out your fundament and see a bit of the daylight. People are actually laughing at these fools.

[Londonhibs]

I'm not going to get into the pissing contest about whether Thatcher should be respected in death, or whether a few hundred dog on a shoe string commies represent 'the left' in Britian. I will however post what I consider to be some of the most erudite thoughts on Thatcher's approach, ironically from a Conservative...admittedly in the traditional 'one nation', rather than neo-libertarian mould:

"It breaks my heart to see (I can't interfere or do anything at my age) what is happening in our country today - this terrible strike of the best men in the world, who beat the Kaiser's army and beat Hitler's army, and never gave in. Pointless, endless. We can't afford that kind of thing. And then this growing division which the noble Lord who has just spoken mentioned, of a comparatively prosperous south, and an ailing north and midlands. That can't go on."

- Harold MacMillan

[sparky88]

I think Thatcher would have approved of folk making a quick buck out of her death - charging £17 for a Witch is Dead T-shirt, the money made from the song on itunes etc etc. Capitalism eh?

[WaffenThinMint]

I'm not sure if I'm being whooshed here, but Reynard (who I've never met) is self-employed as a picture and painting framer / hanger (whatever they're called) and has a workshop in his garden, so the joke is that he lives in a shed.

I've no idea what he's like in person but his posts seem to indicate that he's maybe come into a bit of money in his life, possibly through inheritance, and so I don't really know if he does this job for a 'living', or if he doesn't need the cash and just does it because he enjoys it.

Either way it's something a bit different. I don't agree with the man's politics (but he knows his stuff about fitness) and I'm damn sure I'd rather work from a shed in my garden than in some shitty call centre or office.

It's one of those jobs where there's far more money to be made from it than meets the eye - if you know what you're doing & know the markets to target. Oh, & don't do anything silly with the locals. I remember having a chuckle with Reynard over the discomfiture of one of his local competitors over certain embarrassing revelations when it turned out the golly dolls he'd shoved in his shop window were not merely for attention whoring purposes...

[Londonhibs]

I think Thatcher would have approved of folk making a quick buck out of her death - charging £17 for a Witch is Dead T-shirt, the money made from the song on itunes etc etc. Capitalism eh?

I can't help but think they should outsource the funeral and have a private firm charge for entry to St Pauls etc

[Gaz]

It's one of those jobs where there's far more money to be made from it than meets the eye - if you know what you're doing & know the markets to target. Oh, & don't do anything silly with the locals. I remember having a chuckle with Reynard over the discomfiture of one of his local competitors over certain embarrassing revelations when it turned out the golly dolls he'd shoved in his shop window were not merely for attention whoring purposes...

Yeah, to be honest it sounds like a great job.

[H_B]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating the death of loathesome individuals. Or at the very least it bringing a smile to your face if not outright street parties.

I was delighted when Bernard Manning died. And Jerry Falwell. Just for example.

I don't really get the double standards from people who never had a good word to say about someone when they were alive, but suddenly they are beyond criticism when they are dead.

There's quite a list of people who the world would be better without. I don't really think Thatcher was one of them to be honest, given she was basically a broken old woman.