cracowjambo Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 So you don't think dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan was "all out"?Anyway, if a ground invasion wasn't necessary for N.Korea, why didn't they use this tactic in Afghanistan?I did mean to say since 2nd world war.Afghanistan has been a tippy tappy war.trying to find bin laden without doing to much damage to the country and trying to win local hearts over minds and encourage local Afghanis to rise up against their Taliban oppressors.they couldn't do this by indiscriminate bombing and wiping out the people.my point is that if they wanted to,they could.[/quote Tippy tappy war to a certain extent, that whole war has f**k all to do with 'Hearts and minds' or Osama Bin Laden. It's all about untapped natural resources which the American, British ,Chinese and Russians all have a hand in. Camp Bastion is the size of Reading, it's massive and even now there are hardened structures being erected on site when troops are supposedly off the ground by 2014. Got a funny feeling troops will be based there way passed that deadline to allow certain infrastructures in place to allow the resources to be tapped. Companies like Halliburton and KBR are making a killing and this whole 'hearts and minds' thing is just a cover up IMO. What resources does Afghanistan have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 'Tippy tappy War'. Afghanistan :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Mental Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 ame="Simmo6932" post="7141262" timestamp="1362958445"] What resources does Afghanistan have? Machine guns and poppies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Good Lord. A crazy little fat Korean man wants nukes. We are better getting in first before he does some damage. On another note did you know you can get the train from Austria to North Korea :-O Kim Jong un was in private education in Austria, and his dad would only travel by rail, was probably the only way he could have been sent by his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Has north Korea got oil?? The US has its eye trained on Africa. The US needs to be reigned in as the world police, or at least the guise of the world police, the US government is a 21st century Nazi state. The sooner these idiots destroy each other the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Oh FFS. There's something far wrong with our education system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 If America wanted to,it would wipe out n.Korea in a few days.n Koreas most advanced weapon,at the moment,is the scud missile.the number of infantry n Korea can call up is irrelevant.smart bombing and missiles would quickly negate their usefulness without even the need for a ground invasion.people who think America in the past have struggled to beat the baddies don't appreciate that America has never gone 'all out' on a country. Yeah, they really held back on committing ground troops and bombing in their wholly successful war with Vietnam. Can you define what you'd call 'all out' and how it wasn't applicable there? Those getting all outraged about America dropping nuclear weapons on Japan are indulging in a bit of historical revisionism. The true effects of atomic bombs weren't known at the time, they were just seen as exceptionally big bombs. It wasn't until afterwards, when the longer term effects became apparent that their true horrific nature became apparent. One plan had been to detonate them on Japanese beaches just before the Marines stormed ashore - radiation wasn't so well understood. In the context of a war where 100,000 people died in one night's conventional bombing in Tokyo, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't exceptional in terms of casualties. I agree with your point on the nukes, and put people in Truman's position with the understanding of nuclear weapons of the time the vast majority would take the same decision he did. While they were aware it was there would be large civilian casualties and it was a testing ground for their new super-weapon, they also selected their targets primarily on the basis of their military significance. However, while you're not attempting to excuse it and I know you use the term simply as they used conventional bombs, I think conventional is too fair a word for Tokyo. Fire bombing it to the ground, purposefully selecting 9-10 March as high winds were forecast so the fire would spread rapidly and kill as many civilians as possible. It wasn't about hitting military targets, it was slaughtering as many civilians as they could for the sake of morale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 See the problem with a war against North Korea is the people have been brainwashed. They have been told they have it shit, but if they left it would be even worse than they already have, the Kim Jong family have got the people where they want them, brainwashed and ready to fight to the death to keep the tyrants in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 the US government is a 21st century Nazi state.Ooft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
As We Rise Again Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Let them get on with it, if they want to kill each other so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Kim Jong un was in private education in Austria, and his dad would only travel by rail, was probably the only way he could have been sent by his dad. If only he had gone to St Andrews, he might have been as great a golfer as his Dad, and not got so keen on nuclear stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 We should ask the Russians to drop a Tsar Bomba on N.Korea, that would be a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Cracowjambo makes all the other Hearts fans on P&B seem intelligent. OK that's an exaggeration but not a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 If only he had gone to St Andrews, he might have been as great a golfer as his Dad, and not got so keen on nuclear stuff. His Dad was a truly great golfer - something like 16 holes in one in one round? Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo6932 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The mighty poppy! Seriously, minerals and gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I agree with your point on the nukes, and put people in Truman's position with the understanding of nuclear weapons of the time the vast majority would take the same decision he did. While they were aware it was there would be large civilian casualties and it was a testing ground for their new super-weapon, they also selected their targets primarily on the basis of their military significance. They selected their targets in order to try and rattle the Soviets, given Japan had been requesting negotiable terms of surrender throughout the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Father and son like to look at things. http://kimjongunlookingatthings.tumblr.com/ http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Machine guns and poppies. Are they a Guns 'n Roses tribute band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 They selected their targets in order to try and rattle the Soviets, given Japan had been requesting negotiable terms of surrender throughout the summer. Yeah, there was certainly an element of rattling the Soviets involved, but just using them would do that regardless of where they dropped them. Forcing an unconditional surrender was still the primary objective; it was a choice between going on without them accepting an unconditional surrender, with a ground invasion potentially being necessary, or ending it in a couple of bombing runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberDon Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 See the problem with a war against North Korea is the people have been brainwashed. They have been told they have it shit, but if they left it would be even worse than they already have, the Kim Jong family have got the people where they want them, brainwashed and ready to fight to the death to keep the tyrants in power. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df8_1362850413 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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