H_B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 It should also be compulsory for everyone with >50 posts on this thread to read the Quebec secession legal and economic considerations. It will answer a lot of questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 That's labour left Better Together. So the libs and Tories are the last ones standing..... Better together eh lads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 No. It. Isn't. Show me the word "asset" used anywhere in the 1979 Treaty (Ignoring for the moment that it has been signed by about 2 people and a small terrier dog) and does not constitute the International Law position. Anywhere at all will do. 1983 Article 8 State Property "State property of the predecessor state means property, rights and interests" which means the physical assets and the treaties. Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 As I said earlier, its like christmas come early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 There are consequences to leaving the Union and becoming independent. Xlb seems to think that the rUK will thank them for the one fingered salute and 'auf f*** you sehen' cheerio. Not the case old boy. Talk about wanting their cake and eating it! Oh and Scotland will have to "know their place",not in a subservient way towards the rUK,but in a new foreign country way,who has decided that the UK wasn't good enough for em! On a world stage Scotland will have to "know their place" too.They will no longer be big players,they will have to learn to be told what they are getting a lot more than they do now! Xlb,Better Together mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 1983 Article 8 State Property "State property of the predecessor state means property, rights and interests" which means the physical assets and the treaties. Happy now? Well, you have upgraded from "F" to "E". Despite the 1983 treaty not being relevant, it at least an upgrade on the 1979 treaty. If only I were being paid for this. Well, I suppose I am really. Still, let's look at this shall we. The eagle eyed poster will note that your quote marks end at "interests"? And don't include "assets" at all. Which is because the 1983 treaty also does not contain the word "assets" and you are wronger than a wrong person studying at the Univerity of Wrong, to steal some Blackadder patter. Article 8 in its entirety states :- "For the purposes of the articles in the present Part, “State property of the predecessor State” means property, rights and interests which, at the date of the succession of States, were, according to the internal law of the predecessor State, owned by that State." Now, to see if you can up that "E" grade, where does this suggest that a treaty is "State property"? Do you see the rather obvious probelm with you relying on Article 8 to support your nonsensical claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Now, perhaps you can return to Ad Lib's questions. I understand why you dodged them, but reading them may help you understand where you have gone wrong here. I'm always in favour of the "Give a man a fish and yuo feed him for a day" tenet, so it's better if you can learn for yourself really, rather than just being told all the time. Read. You might enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You don't understand, H_B. The UK physically owns the EU's treaties. If the UK breaks up, Scotland gets the TEU, England gets the TFEU and Northern Ireland and Wales have to share the Fundamental Charter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You don't understand, H_B. The UK physically owns the EU's treaties. If the UK breaks up, Scotland gets the TEU, England gets the TFEU and Northern Ireland and Wales have to share the Fundamental Charter. It is indeed an eye opener. Could we perhaps sell our UN Membership on EBay? Perhaps get more for it than xbl will for that submarine? We could throw in a round of golf at St Andrews as well, to clinch the deal. No reserve!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The distinction between the division of assets internal and external is important also. Again, reference to Quebec will assist with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Now, to see if you can up that "E" grade, where does this suggest that a treaty is "State property"? Do you see the rather obvious probelm with you relying on Article 8 to support your nonsensical claim? You'll need to do better than that, our treaties have already been ratified as part of our rights and obligations under our own internal law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Have not a clue what the legal groupies are on about and care less.... So better together is now the Tories, libs and 'Hello' Darling. Maybe UKIP can come on board now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 That's labour left Better Together. So the libs and Tories are the last ones standing..... Better together eh lads? Except, of course, this isn't actually true. Labour are still very much integral to Better Together, its infrastructure, its staff, its campaigners, and its political leadership in the form of Alistair Darling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You'll need to do better than that, our treaties have already been ratified as part of our rights and obligations under our own internal law. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 For how long? Looks like they are taking the ba' hame..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You'll need to do better than that, our treaties have already been ratified as part of our rights and obligations under our own internal law. ROFL. Name the statute of the Parliament of Westminster that incorporates the provisions of Art 8 of the '83 Treaty into domestic law, please. We're dualists here. We're not cretinous monists like the French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Freud Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You'll need to do better than that, our treaties have already been ratified as part of our rights and obligations under our own internal law. Sorry, in the event of what? Are you seriously suggesting that laws made in Westminster governing the UK will be in place when Scotland leaves the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Except, of course, this isn't actually true. Labour are still very much integral to Better Together, its infrastructure, its staff, its campaigners, and its political leadership in the form of Alistair Darling...Indeed. I see why HB is doing his usual (refer to my signature), and of course, the apologist has to join in too. Do you think they will rename it "Lib Dems Together"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Except, of course, this isn't actually true. Labour are still very much integral to Better Together, its infrastructure, its staff, its campaigners, and its political leadership in the form of Alistair Darling... Oh aye, that's why they feel the need for their own pet campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Sorry, in the event of what? Are you seriously suggesting that laws made in Westminster governing the UK will be in place when Scotland leaves the UK? In the event of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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