Todders Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 How is it propaganda when they're reporting facts? Is it not legitimate for them to report upon this paper? It is propaganda if they are extremely selective about the "facts" they report. And more often than not, these "facts" are merely opinion presented as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I quite like the pubs along the thames in the summer,can we have the thames just for pub crawl purposes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Latest Mori poll. YES 31(-3) NO 59 (+4) Don't ken 10(-1) Is it just me that thinks polls are a waste of time? http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3172/Support-for-Scotland-remaining-part-of-the-UK-increases.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Well that answers my earlier question. Not looking good at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Im sure i just heard that the bbc will give impartial coverage to the indy ref on the morning news just now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 What legal experts?And they can't "change" the border. There is no border, as far as international law is concerned. We'd be establishing a border between two sovereign states. The existing border drawn for domestic purposes by Westminster isn't binding. It would be up to both sides to negotiate an equitable solution. It will no doubt form part of wider negotiations on other matters also, not be considered in isolation. Two professors with great knowledge in the field http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20042070 My favourite part "You might say we should use that line. The interesting thing is, from the economic point of view, it does not make much difference because there are just a handful of fields, and not very important ones now, between the median line and the line north of Berwick. "Although lawyers could have a long debate about it, in terms of economics, it does not make all that much difference." Basically lawyers and pseudo lawyers like Ad Lib can navel gaze about where the line is drawn but ultimately it isn't that important. You do realise those professors are saying precisely what Ad Lib is saying, right? Can't believe this whole international waters thing hasn't progressed from what seems like 30 pages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Two professors with great knowledge in the field http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20042070 Kemp isn't a lawyer. He's a Professor of Economics. In fact, amusingly from your very own link, the SNP's pet fool David Scheffer actually regales us with something true for a change :- "There is a popular notion in academic thinking that automatically it is the median line. However, international law has always invited negotiation on how to draw that line" Well OK, so the first sentence is utter bullshit. But for him, it's progress. This "popular notion" is presumably only amongst idiots at Northwestern. You'd have to be a total moron to think that the median line is automoatically to be used. A quick 30 seconds research would soon disabuse you of that notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Can't believe this whole international waters thing hasn't progressed from what seems like 30 pages ago. Look out for "right, well if we urnae gettin UN membership an England ur, wur no takin any of the debts then" to reappear in about 10 pages time also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The maritime border will most certainly be a bone of contention and subject to fierce negotiation. Not just for oil and gas, but fishing too. When the UK/rUK inevitably votes to tell nasty johnny foreigner to get to f**k- sooner rather than later with the equally inevitable rise of UKIP- Imagine the glee when English gunboats start chasing Spanish trawlers back to Cadiz and out of Albion's non European Fisheries Policy waters! Fishing is determined by the European Union Common Agricultural Policy. An independence vote would quite literally have zero affect on fisheries. Leaving the EU is the only way the UK/Scotland could adjust quotas. Drawing up water borders would also not be a bilateral agreement as any change would have to be ratified and subject to international maritime law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Indeed. This has apparently been Yes Scotland's "Worst" week. So as you say, if the polls don't show a movement to no, then we can lord it up. Oh, and if the next poll doesn't show a big jump for the no vote, then I'm right and you and your Unionist cronies are wrong. Oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Dunno if this has been posted before but someone just tweeted this chart from Ipsos/Mori on voting trends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Oops! Yes? Big movement is it? Whats the margin of error on that poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Yes? Big movement is it? Whats the margin of error on that poll? If you get a stool, you can reach the straws easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 As you helpfully quoted, that was apparently our "worst" week. So that looks reasonable to me. Chris has posted up the trends. Where is this big movement you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 If you get a stool, you can reach the straws easier. You quoted me directly there. Its not a movement to yes, so nothing exciting, but its not a big movement to no either, despite the firestorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Yes? Big movement is it? Whats the margin of error on that poll? Stiff upper lip,keep your dignity,you're British man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You quoted me directly there. Its not a movement to yes, so nothing exciting, but its not a big movement to no either, despite the firestorm. Just to check, what would have been a "big" movement? It's hugely amusing watching you try to pretend that this isn't a disaster for you after your rhetoric of the other day. Yes -3 No +4 That's a huge movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Salmond had a "big" bowel movement,perhaps that's what the anti English angry man meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Oops! Ipsos Mori always show a higher trend in Nos than other polling agencies, however, there is no reason not to treat these numbers as gospel for the moment. In terms of the longer Ipsos trends, it doesn't seem as huge a shift as when seen in isolation to their last one three months ago. However, there is a load more fascinating stuff in there under the headline: Labour leads the SNP 38/37% in the Holyrood voting intention, although that turns into a 36/39 amongst those certain to vote. Alex salmonds favourable/unfavourable is down to + 2, whereas Johann Lamont's is at +5 (down from +8, but I was shocked that she'd be in positive figures at all), Darling's is down at -2 for some reason. It would appear that the labour vote is back, probably dragged up by the UK polls. It does lead to the spectre of first minister Lamont in 2016...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 From what I've seen, the BT campaign have already played two of their biggest cards already in the currency and EU stance, which are quite difficult to really clarify to the mainstream voter IMO. My question is why did they play them so early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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