~~~ Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Better Together must be seething at Westminster, they keep making a mockery of their "facts" From the AAA rating to the shipbuilders! Will they have anything left to try and scare us with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 The shipbuilding thing is serious but Danny Alexander's comments about a currency union not being viable are a bigger deal. The future currency is the yes campaign's biggest problem. For one thing, what Danny Alexander said was that currency union would be challenging. Well, of course it would - any macroeconomic policy is challenging. But far more pertinently, neither Danny Alexander nor his party will be anywhere near a lever of power when currency union is established, so I'm not sure why his opinion carries much weight here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Well done the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Not to mention Alistair Darling is on record as saying a currency union would be desirable and logical http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/6549-alistair-darling-backs-currency-union-between-scotland-and-ruk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Eton Dave has out witted Rab regarding this ship building episode. It was a difficult one, a wee bit awkward but he did a pretty good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Eton Dave has out witted Rab regarding this ship building episode. It was a difficult one, a wee bit awkward but he did a pretty good job. Yes, by blowing apart the argument that the union could in any way, shape or form save shipbuilding jobs, Cameron really has outwitted Salmond. Sure he has. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Yes, by blowing apart the argument that the union could in any way, shape or form save shipbuilding jobs, Cameron really has outwitted Salmond. Sure he has. Well done. Difficult times in an industry that has struggled. Eton Dave and Co have been seen to be more than fair to Scotland and that is how it looks because that is how it is. Scottish people will see this and some will even feel a bond with the people of Portsmouth. Better Together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Sarwar case for the union! http://archive.is/wA09i Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 For one thing, what Danny Alexander said was that currency union would be challenging. Well, of course it would - any macroeconomic policy is challenging. But far more pertinently, neither Danny Alexander nor his party will be anywhere near a lever of power when currency union is established, so I'm not sure why his opinion carries much weight here.Today's times quotes Danny Alexander as saying " it is highly unlikely that a currency union would be workable and it is therefore highly unlikely that euro style arrangements for the uk would be in the best interests of either Scotland or the United Kingdom"Alexander is a fanny but he he is treasury secretary so what he says on this matter carries weight. It is unlikely that he will be treasury secretary after the next general election but in the event of a yes vote it is much more likely a Tory will occupy that post. In the event of a yes vote based on a currency union that CU then becomes a major issue for GE 2015 and I don't see either either of the three parties campaigning in vital English seats that they will establish a currency union that has no advantage for them at all. An indpendent Scotland's future currency being dependent on the decision of Cameron or milliband and the outcome of the GE in England, Wales and NI is an extreme flaw in the yes campaign. I think they should make concrete plans which aren't dependent on outside factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Not to mention Alistair Darling is on record as saying a currency union would be desirable and logical http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/6549-alistair-darling-backs-currency-union-between-scotland-and-ruk So? It's the treasury that matters and being cynical whatever policy polls best in England before the next GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Why? You don't think not being able to definitely state how a independent Scotland's currency would function isn't a weakness? That having a large part of your campaign relying on a future rUK government acquiescing on a vital issue isn't a weakness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I'm sure even if a currency union happens it will be bloody useless for inde Scotland. Rab C is not to be trusted on this one. He pretends cocking one almighty treacherous snook at N Ire,Wales and England will then see the UK be all sugar and spice to the deserters of Scotland! He's off his fucking head! Salmond has no answer to the currency question and let's hope copies of the 'white paper' are printed on bog roll tissue because wiping your ass with it is about all it'll be good for! Currency union! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 We can still use the pound out-with a currency union. Of course a currency union would be the better option but I wouldn't call it a massive problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 We can still use the pound out-with a currency union. Of course a currency union would be the better option but I wouldn't call it a massive problem. Yeh and i'm sure the majority of Scots agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 We can still use the pound out-with a currency union. Of course a currency union would be the better option but I wouldn't call it a massive problem. Of course it isn't, it's just a useful tool for fear-mongering Unionists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Today's times quotes Danny Alexander as saying " it is highly unlikely that a currency union would be workable and it is therefore highly unlikely that euro style arrangements for the uk would be in the best interests of either Scotland or the United Kingdom" Alexander is a fanny but he he is treasury secretary so what he says on this matter carries weight. It is unlikely that he will be treasury secretary after the next general election but in the event of a yes vote it is much more likely a Tory will occupy that post. In the event of a yes vote based on a currency union that CU then becomes a major issue for GE 2015 and I don't see either either of the three parties campaigning in vital English seats that they will establish a currency union that has no advantage for them at all. An indpendent Scotland's future currency being dependent on the decision of Cameron or milliband and the outcome of the GE in England, Wales and NI is an extreme flaw in the yes campaign. I think they should make concrete plans which aren't dependent on outside factors. Have you noticed that at no point have they said "No" to a currency Union. They're very careful not to say this. Anyway, concrete plans. We're using the pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 We can still use the pound out-with a currency union. Of course a currency union would be the better option but I wouldn't call it a massive problem. Piggybacking onto another state's currency is a massive problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Piggybacking onto another state's currency is a massive problem. Isn't that what we do already? Except with even less say in things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Piggybacking onto another state's currency is a massive problem. What's your alternative concrete plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Difficult times in an industry that has struggled. Eton Dave and Co have been seen to be more than fair to Scotland and that is how it looks because that is how it is. Scottish people will see this and some will even feel a bond with the people of Portsmouth. Better Together. Politically Dave has out smarted Alex on this one. Scots lose jobs yes,but they get the ship building contracts. The Scottish public see that ship building in Portsmouth,the home of the Royal Navy has lost more jobs (than in Scotland) and the ship building contracts for the first time in 500 years. Scottish ship builders get the nod before the home of the Royal navy. If need be,in a rUK,Portsmouth can be kitted out to build ships,of course it can. But Dave has given the impression he and the UK trust Scotland to deliver good ships and remain in the UK and to be fair that's what Unionists believe regarding the ships and hope for regarding the referendum. Also,Scottish voters will remember how important Scottish ship builders are to the defence of our island/s,whether Scotland is inde or UK. Scotland have clearly come out of this one better than England,the separatists cannot justify making a song and dance about this. The UK Government have been as fair as possible to Scotland and Dave has outmaneuvered Rab. Is this real? Or parody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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