Baxter Parp Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 free stovies and pies, I was swithering, but no longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Sausage, must have words with the host over this. Disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Tell you on Saturday, balaclavas are for the SDL muppets. You parking at mines? Nah, I've got going out on the lash to be doing afterwards, so I'm going to get the train through. I'm quite excited! I'm tempted to go, but then people would know I went. A media luvvy in our midst? It's not me is it? Maybe we should meet up with Mr. Rational and go on the march as team p&b? I promise not to try and burn you to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Sausage, Now I'm swithering again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I think that's actually a hardening of No's position. Previously it was around the 1/6, 7/2 mark. Maybe just a different bookie. Though rather bizarrely the odds on Independence were much more generous than the odds on a Yes vote on the referendum. Yeah just had a look: http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/scottish-independence/referendum-outcome/bet-history/yes-to-independence/today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uni Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm missing the Aberdeen game this weekend for the big march for independence in Edinburgh on Saturday. Should be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Hopefully the chicmac "mouse" flag thing will get dusted off for your march. Quite liked that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Nah, I've got going out on the lash to be doing afterwards, so I'm going to get the train through. I'm quite excited! Maybe we should meet up with Mr. Rational and go on the march as team p&b? I promise not to try and burn you to death. Anyone wants to find me or meet up with me, PM me for details. I'm going with my area campaign but as we have a 10 foot Saltire, I should be easy to find. Although I did look like Victor from still game last year with my bunnet on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just in case anyone missed it, here's last nights result being announced. Kirsty Wark just about chokes, whilst the other yin's got a look on her puss as if Pat Kane's just dropped his guts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Another piece in the Guardian, talking about the BT parties agreeing a package of further devolution prior to September next year. Is there any real momentum for this? It's only been the guardian who've brought it up - just wishful thinking on their part? I've heard (tentatively) positive things from someone with an inside track on the Tory group looking into this. Labour are properly tearing themselves apart though. The perception I get is that a cross-party or Labour proposal will only be rushed to be published before the referendum if they are concerned the polls are close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The independence betting market is illiquid. Only mugs like Tryfield are betting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The independence betting market is illiquid. Only mugs like Tryfield are betting on it. It could make sense if you were getting value - 9/2 might not be too bad actually, as I'm sure in the next 12 months that will narrow. I'd be disappointed if you couldn't lay it off at 7/2 ish before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 There are just too many variables and not enough reliable data, it's a novelty market right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just in case anyone missed it, here's last nights result being announced. Kirsty Wark just about chokes, whilst the other yin's got a look on her puss as if Pat Kane's just dropped his guts. They should of had Morris Dancers with that bloke playing the pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I've found a game changer in the whole independence debate. Alex Salmond likes to eat tiny women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 So the facility to vote SNP and begin a referendum clusterfuck simply hasn't been available to the people of Scotland for 80 years? Well there's certainly been no direct mechanism for it. Even if Scotland voted 100% SNP, there has never been any mechanism in place at Westminster that would bring about a referendum as a direct result or even through SNP MPs voting for one. It's pretty obvious that if that did happen, it would put a lot of pressure on Westminster to arrange a referendum but they wouldn't have to if they didn't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Well there's certainly been no direct mechanism for it. There doesn't have to be. That's not what self-determination as a right requires or means. The mechanism for a Scottish exercise of self-determination to form a new independent sovereign nation was laid out for us. Saying "Yeah, but I voted the other way because I wanted more money spent on the roads" isn't an argument against having a right to self-determination exercised through the democratic process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 There doesn't have to be. That's not what self-determination as a right requires or means. The mechanism for a Scottish exercise of self-determination to form a new independent sovereign nation was laid out for us. Saying "Yeah, but I voted the other way because I wanted more money spent on the roads" isn't an argument against having a right to self-determination exercised through the democratic process. So what would it have looked like? A majority of the electorate in Scotland voting SNP, the SNP winning a majority of Scottish seats? What would have happened had either of these things occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The mechanism for a Scottish exercise of self-determination to form a new independent sovereign nation was laid out for us. Eh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 There doesn't have to be. That's not what self-determination as a right requires or means. The mechanism for a Scottish exercise of self-determination to form a new independent sovereign nation was laid out for us. Saying "Yeah, but I voted the other way because I wanted more money spent on the roads" isn't an argument against having a right to self-determination exercised through the democratic process. So what would it have looked like? A majority of the electorate in Scotland voting SNP, the SNP winning a majority of Scottish seats? What would have happened had either of these things occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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