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If anybody thinks that an independent Scotland is going to be some kind of political heaven has completely lost the plot, there will be years of difficulty ahead

Anybody who believes that there will not be a deal done over Oil and Gas with the rest of the UK is looking through the world in tartan tinted glasses

A vote out of Europe would be a disaster for the UK, the rest of Europe will make sure of that, we will really become an island state

Again there is no hard evidence that full fiscal powers will encourage companies to come and invest, or for to stay and invest

Does anyone know what the support for a nuclear deterrent in Scotland is?

What kind of deal would an independent country do with another over its own resources? Why would it need to?

As far as I can recall there was a poll for CND that showed 60% against replacing Trident.

Investment: http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-does-scotland-look-bonnie-to-foreign-investors/9080

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Re point 3), cutting taxes for businesses and the wealthy. That's not very socialist is it? Given the EU moves towards tax harmonisation to stop corporations dodging tax, I can't see this playing well with the negotiations to join the EU. Nor will it play well with the left wingers who currently support the S N P.

I don't agree with cutting corporation tax myself, but as it stands we have no control over corporation taxes whatsoever. Poland, Latvia, Ireland, Hungary and many other countries have lower corporation taxes than us and they're in the EU, so I doubt it's the problem you think it is.

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I don't agree with cutting corporation tax myself, but as it stands we have no control over corporation taxes whatsoever. Poland, Latvia, Ireland, Hungary and many other countries have lower corporation taxes than us and they're in the EU, so I doubt it's the problem you think it is.

Hungary and Ireland used this to good effect when they attracted IBM over from Greenock. Scotland lost 1000s of jobs.

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I don't agree with cutting corporation tax myself, but as it stands we have no control over corporation taxes whatsoever. Poland, Latvia, Ireland, Hungary and many other countries have lower corporation taxes than us and they're in the EU, so I doubt it's the problem you think it is.

We still won't uder the SNP scheme. The BoE (the UKs state political bank) will decide this. Therew is next to zero chance of the BoE allowing Scotland to undercut corporation tax in the UK to attract jobs away from its poorer areas in, for instance, the north east.

The SNP plans are fucking nonsense.

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Hungary and Ireland used this to good effect when they attracted IBM over from Greenock. Scotland lost 1000s of jobs.

Which is exactly the reason Scotland being fiscally controlled by the UK state bank won't be able to.

We need our own central bank, and our own currency.

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It always makes me think, there was a vote in 1979, if we had said "yes" then would we currently be Norway, Denmark or in fact would we be Ireland

We did vote "Yes" in 1979. The figures were as follows:

Yes 1,230,937 (51.62%)

No 1,153,500 (48.38%)

It was only the fact that (uniquely for this referendum) Westminster decided that anyone who didn't vote would be considered to have voted no. "Yes" had to win and achieve 40% of the total registered vote. As the Electoral Roll was hopelessly out of date, this was practically impossible.

For example, after the poll was held, a survey was carried out of the register in the Edinburgh Central constituency. This appeared to show that the register was so out of date that even in an area where major support for a "yes" vote might be expected, achievement of 40% of the electorate was virtually unattainable.

This was because the majority of electors lived in older tenements or newer Council blocks of flats where specific flat numbers were not specified. The work of electoral registration staff to obtain an accurate current register was almost impossible, and the same was true of most of Scotland's inner cities and larger towns.

Effectively, the people who had died or moved away were counted as "No" votes.

In addition, the 1979 referendum was not an independence referendum, as you appear to believe. The devolution that was on offer in 1979 contained fewer powers for the assembly than are currently available to the Scottish Parliament.

Perhaps you might want to do some further research before you post again?

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No sure about a poll on a nuclear deterrent, run by an anti-nuclear supporter?

Most polls that refer to the cost of a Trident replacement show a majority of Scots are against it. Doesn't matter who runs them. Polls that don't refer to the cost show a slim majority for. Psychology, eh?

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I stand corrected on 1979

But I am still against independence for all the reasons I gave

I hope that you will take my advice and go and research the matter more fully. Personally, I don't think that any of your 6 reasons stand up to critical examination.

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I hope that you will take my advice and go and research the matter more fully. Personally, I don't think that any of your 6 reasons stand up to critical examination.

Yeah, being against independence is fine, being against it because you're ignorant of the facts is not.

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Its only my view, a view shared by about 65% of the nation that's against independence, I am sensing an enormous petted lip, when this poll is defeated

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Its only my view, a view shared by about 65% of the nation that's against independence, I am sensing an enormous petted lip, when this poll is defeated

So it doesn't matter what the facts are then. You initially stated that you weren't convinced on your points raised which would imply that you were willing to be convinced. What would convince you?

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