Ad Lib Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Whereas all other lawyers are "clowns" and "wrong".Qvotrtrup isn't even a lawyer! He's a political science doctor whose undergraduate was an MA, who works at some b*****d English backwater excuse for a University, who "specialises" in referendums, yet who had his arse handed to him on a plate by lawyers of every single political hue barely 12 months ago about the legality of a Scottish independence referendum.The man is an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 And by the way xbl, I find it frankly disgusting and astonishing that you continue to peddle this lie and have failed completely to engage with what I said about why you're wrong yesterday. I gave you a detailed analysis as to why the EU membership of the UK and the right to issue currency were not assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Amusingly, in a hoist by one's own petard way, from the article that you skipped your morning bowl of cornflakes to post here, :- . There would be an expectation that an independent Scotland would take on an equitable share of national debt, to be negotiated. “The continuing UK would need to seek to ensure that a fair settlement applied to assets and liabilities. Oh dear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Useful primer for Labour voters on the differences with the Tories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Exactly thats why its good to see the article,in a murdoch paper aswell Thing is, this isn't even true. It would be like starting divorce negotiations with "well, if i don't get the Milli Vanilli signed poster, then i'll walk outside and shit on the front lawn. That'll show you". Well, it will show the neighbours that you are a lunatic, yes. And we both know you won't actually do it, so what are you taking about? What the SNP should be doing is finding the most advantageous way of splitting the debt and building a case based on that, be it population, GDP etc. In fact, i'm sure this is exactly what they are doing. Just in case the great referendum miracle of 2014 comes to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Useful primer for Labour voters on the differences with the Tories Yep, spot the difference. This needs to go up billboards pronto. The Tories want to be tougher on welfare Labour want to be tougher on welfare. The Tories want to be tougher on immigration. Labour want to be tougher on immigration. The Tories want to introduce means-testing for more benefits. Labour want to introduce means-testing for more benefits. The Tories want to end free tuition in Scotland. Labour want to end free tuition in Scotland. The Tories support workfare and want to extend it. Labour support workfare and want to extend it. The Tory plan for cutting the deficit is a decade of brutal austerity. The Labour plan for cutting the deficit is a decade of brutal austerity. The Tories want to spend tens of billions replacing Trident. Labour want to spend tens of billions replacing Trident. The Tories introduced the bedroom tax for social rented tenants. Labour introduced the bedroom tax for private rented tenants. (And refuse to say they'll abolish it.) The Tories don't plan to reintroduce the 50p income tax rate. Labour don't plan to reintroduce the 50p income tax rate. The Tories have vague, non-specific, non-committal plans for devolution which offer more responsibilities rather than more powers, and which aren't supported by the party's Westminster MPs or leadership. Labour have vague, non-specific, non-committal plans for devolution which offer more responsibilities rather than more powers, and which aren't supported by the party's Westminster MPs or leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Once again, with regard to our pet lawyers, I refer to my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Once again, with regard to our pet lawyers, I refer to my signature. How is it "derailing" to, uh, answer your questions? Please provide a response to post 7500. You asked me the questions, and I had the decency to answer them. Don't pretend that post doesn't exist as a pathetic attempt to keep peddling the same myth, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 How is it "derailing" to, uh, answer your questions? Please provide a response to post 7500. You asked me the questions, and I had the decency to answer them. Don't pretend that post doesn't exist as a pathetic attempt to keep peddling the same myth, please. Round and round we go. Face it, the Lib Dem Better Together group as well as the UK Government have made it clear. Some of the debt, none of the assets, and of course, we get to keep *some* of our sea. They might have dressed it up in flowery language, but thats what it boils down to. Unless of course, we are NOT going to be a new state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Thing is, this isn't even true. Yip scrambling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I know you are reapeating this drivel for amusement, as even you know it is complete and utter bullshit, but just to continue with the charade, what is "flowery" about :- "“The continuing UK would need to seek to ensure that a fair settlement applied to assets and liabilities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Yip scrambling Perhaps you can outline how exactly this rubbish is relevant for negoatioations between NewScotland and the United Kingdom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Round and round we go. Face it, the Lib Dem Better Together group as well as the UK Government have made it clear. Some of the debt, none of the assets, and of course, we get to keep *some* of our sea. They might have dressed it up in flowery language, but thats what it boils down to. Unless of course, we are NOT going to be a new state? You are a cesspit sir. A cesspit. I provided specific examples of the sort of "share of the assets" we would get. I've explained why some things ARE assets but other things are named state specific rights, thus not "assets". Engage with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Nice to see the bitters scrambling on a sunday morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 You know, this almost makes me pine for chicmac's return. At least he was amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Nice to see the bitters scrambling on a sunday morning To be fair, Ad Lib supports independence. So he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 To be fair, Ad Lib supports independence. So he says. You didn't answer the question. What is "flowery" about :- "“The continuing UK would need to seek to ensure that a fair settlement applied to assets and liabilities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 To add to the list of unanswered questions by xbl, what is "flowery" about anything I said in post 7500. Explain to me why what I said in any way boils down to "none of the assets". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Oooohh Flowery is todays buzzword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Oooohh Flowery is todays buzzwordWell it is just that. A buzzword. Because xbl has no argument here. He is wrong. Completely wrong. And he knows he can't engage with the actual points made against his claims because he has no answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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