ForzaDundee Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I remember doing an online poll a wee while ago that someone posted trying to do research on linking Scottish football teams to political opinions for some tinpot uni degree. Anyone remember it or heard anything from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 No, that'd be opinion polls. Independence is one issue, people vote in elections for a multitude of reasons. Indeed. Which is why the SNP vote in the Holyrood elections is also completely meaningless when support for Independence is being calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Indeed. Which is why the SNP vote in the Holyrood elections is also completely meaningless when support for Independence is being calculated. Yep, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Indeed. Which is why the SNP vote in the Holyrood elections is also completely meaningless when support for Independence is being calculated. Indeed. And don't forget local council elections and European Parliament elections. I feel it's neccesary to point out that they too ar meaningless when support for independence is being calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Indeed. And don't forget local council elections and European Parliament elections. I feel it's neccesary to point out that they too ar meaningless when support for independence is being calculated. It's actually quite interesting, well to me anyway. It explains why Tony Blair won an election easily even after people knew he was a liar, and the Iraq campaign was turning to shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Regards the football link to the "No vote". I've noticed recently that I know quite a lot of Celtic fans who are devout "Brits out of Ireland" types, but do not support Independence for Scotland. I'm still waiting on a decent explanation on their positions there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Regards the football link to the "No vote". I've noticed recently that I know quite a lot of Celtic fans who are devout "Brits out of Ireland" types, but do not support Independence for Scotland. I'm still waiting on a decent explanation on their positions there. I'd hazard a guess that it's because they're fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Regards the football link to the "No vote". I've noticed recently that I know quite a lot of Celtic fans who are devout "Brits out of Ireland" types, but do not support Independence for Scotland. I'm still waiting on a decent explanation on their positions there.There are a LOT of them. I've always found Celtic fans to be less open to the idea of Scottish independence than their Rangers equivalents. Not as bad as St. Mirren obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 There are a LOT of them. I've always found Celtic fans to be less open to the idea of Scottish independence than their Rangers equivalents. Not as bad as St. Mirren obviously. Before long St Mirren will get invited to the Rangers - Linfield pre-season friendlies in Belfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 So we are all agreed that the only reliable opinion polls are the ones taken at funerals in Ayrshire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I'd hazard a guess that it's because they're fucking idiots. I offered that as an explanation to a couple of them. I don't think they're talking to me now. No real loss. There are a LOT of them. I've always found Celtic fans to be less open to the idea of Scottish independence than their Rangers equivalents. Not as bad as St. Mirren obviously. I was very surprised by just how many there are. The folk I know in that position seem to be split down the "I'm no voting for the SNP" line, which marks them out as even more of a clueless f*cking idiot, and the "Too wee and stupid" line, which apparently Ireland is not despite there being plenty of evidence that would support the view that Scotland would be in a far better financial position than Ireland in the event of becoming independent. No reasoning with them though. I actually don't think the yes vote will carry, sadly, but I live in hope that if I do return to Scotland in future that it will be standing on it's own two feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 So we are all agreed that the only reliable opinion polls are the ones taken at funerals in Ayrshire? Pretty much. The same way that support for the EU can acurately be gauged at ayrmad's local pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oht Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 So we are all agreed that the only reliable opinion polls are the ones taken at funerals in Ayrshire? We're also saying the team people support is a reliable indicator so average home attendances should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Don Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 What about ethnic minorities, how well represented are they on P & B? How many Apache do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Sergio Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 When I see someone basing their no vote on wanting to keep Scotland 'British', my first thought is that they support one of the 'staunch' clubs (St. Mirren, Airdrie, Rangers, Hearts.) This works remarkably well. I've lost track of the number of times you have came out with that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Sergio Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 In my limited experience, Celtic fans are even more against Scottish independence than Rangers. The descending order for Unionist clubs is roughly: Hearts Airdrie St. Mirren Celtic Rangers Of these, Celtic fans generally have differing motivations from the other four but will be voting No nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I wouldn't be so inclined to put Hearts on the staunch list*. Mine would be: 1. St Mirren (staunchest of the staunch) 2. Celtic ("Go home British soldiers - no, wait, Stay here British soldiers") 3. Airdrie (Fairly staunch) 4. Rangers (To be fair, they are more likely than the 3 clubs above to identify as Scottish) * Look independence supporters disagreeing with each other! Compare that to all the Unionists tacitly agreeing with Tryfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Balanced coverage. Nice graphic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 A serious point for once. I see the poll at the top of this thread still shows that about 2/3 are in favour of independence, which obviously conflicts with public opinion polls. I've seen this repeated all over the place, for example the Dunfermline Press have an online poll this morning, that the nasty cybernats have taken over. When I voted on it 81% wanted independence, which is err.. a tad optimistic. However, what appears to be clear, is that the independistas are more committed, more organised and more vocal than their seemingly numerically superior counterparts. That may well make a big difference, since it's one thing giving an opinion when asked and another actually being motivated enough to go and vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Is it bad that I'm basing how I'm going to vote largely by what I see on this thread? Leaning quite firmly towards yes at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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