Antiochas III Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, RiG said: Also the Lions are being pretty vocal on Stafford leaving because there are a lot of teams scrambling for a QB that could improve them and they want to try and maximise their gain from trading Stafford. $10m Roster Bonus cost on day 5 of the Football Season has forced the Lions front office to be so loud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, steelmen said: Hold the bus... you could get beef space invaders!!! and also starring Saucy BBQ and Spicy, seen here in a 3 tight end formation. Edited January 29, 2021 by BukyOHare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 5 hours ago, BukyOHare said: I'd say they'll get 3 x 1st round picks and then free up cap space to try and get the likes of Stafford if they could. You could also argue with the disintegrating reputation the Texans have, who's actually going to actively want to go there? 3 firsts would be a complete steal for the team that gets Watson. Money talks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, The Golden God said: They have him right now and are completely useless. It's not a given that the team he goes to will automatically become great within a year either, they could get the number 2 pick and a couple more from the Jets, adding Watson won't make them playoff contenders straight away especially in a tough division so they could get a good pick next year. They could punt him to SF and get Garapollo, they'd save cap space and have good picks to try and replace Hopkins and build a better roster around a solid QB. It all doesn't matter anyway cause he won't play in Houston, he holds all the cards, they need to get rid of him to rebuild cause of the ridiculous trades they've made. I get your point about the Ravens but their issue is they have a running back playing QB and everyone is just pretending he is a top QB, Jackson isn't even decent. You don't need an elite QB to win it all, you can do it with a solid one. I don't think any scenario works out well for them, they'll still be shite for years to come and O'Brien will be despised in Houston for ever. They're one year out from being in the divisional round of the playoffs. He wasn't the reason they were useless this year, and you don't trade away a franchise QB. If you're Houston, why would you trade him to the Jets, an AFC team you would potentially see in the postseason until Watson retires? You don't want to trade away a franchise QB to a team you would have to fight through to get to the Super Bowl. And who says Watson would approve it or a trade to San Fran in the first place? He doesn't hold all the cards. Outside of having a say in where he can be traded to, he really has no leverage whatsoever. He can sit out for a year, but the Texans still own his rights. If he retires, he has to cut a $21 million check back to the Texans. The QB is the foundation you build around and they already have it. It may not work out for them, but the chances are far greater it doesn't work if they trade him than if they don't. Yes, you do need an elite QB (or one who plays like it in the playoffs such as Foles with the Eagles) to win it all unless you have an all-time great defense (Ravens 2000, Bucs 2002). Edited January 29, 2021 by AmericanFan less 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, AmericanFan said: He doesn't hold all the cards. Outside of having a say in where he can be traded to, he really has no leverage whatsoever. Having a say on where he can be traded to is pretty big leverage I'd say. I can see his agent providing the Texans with a list of teams he'd be willing to go to. It's then upto the Texans do thrash out a deal that they're willing to do business at. Watson needs to go to a team that's got some targets already in place and equally if not more important, a coaching team that'll get the maximum out of him. Imagine if Mahomes had landed in KC with no Andy Reid, no Tyreek Hill or Kelce already there. A qb can only do so much by himself, the more targets he's got the better his and teams' chance of success. How would Brady have got on this season with that Patriots receiver and tight end group. With all that in mind if I was Watson's agent I'd already be having lunches with the likes of the Rams, 49ers, Steelers, Panthers, Dolphins and Saints in general terms. I'd be even more surprised if teams haven't been making the first move. Its got to be the right move for Watson as well as the Texans. You go to the Jets for example and it could be a season, probably 2 or 3 before they're even a .500 team. It would be out of the frying pan and into the fire for Deshaun as far as I'm concerned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, BukyOHare said: Having a say on where he can be traded to is pretty big leverage I'd say. I can see his agent providing the Texans with a list of teams he'd be willing to go to. It's then upto the Texans do thrash out a deal that they're willing to do business at. Watson needs to go to a team that's got some targets already in place and equally if not more important, a coaching team that'll get the maximum out of him. Imagine if Mahomes had landed in KC with no Andy Reid, no Tyreek Hill or Kelce already there. A qb can only do so much by himself, the more targets he's got the better his and teams' chance of success. How would Brady have got on this season with that Patriots receiver and tight end group. With all that in mind if I was Watson's agent I'd already be having lunches with the likes of the Rams, 49ers, Steelers, Panthers, Dolphins and Saints in general terms. I'd be even more surprised if teams haven't been making the first move. Its got to be the right move for Watson as well as the Texans. You go to the Jets for example and it could be a season, probably 2 or 3 before they're even a .500 team. It would be out of the frying pan and into the fire for Deshaun as far as I'm concerned. He can't force a trade. Just because a player comes out and says, "I want to be traded," doesn't mean the team has to do it. The Texans GM was on radio earlier today (I live in Texas and benefit from being able to hear things like this) and actually said they have no interest in trading him. This might mean the new Houston GM is very smart and gets that you have to get the quarterback right to win. Watson is literally in the worst position to demand something because he just signed a contract that gave Houston his contract rights through 2028. Yes, a QB can only do so much by himself, but you have to get the QB right in today's NFL. You can have mediocre to crappy linemen, average receivers and an average defense, and an elite QB still gives you a chance to win. Or you can be like the current edition of Baltimore or the Chiefs a few years back and have a top-7 defense, Hill, Kelce and the leading rusher in the league in Kareem Hunt, but you won't get past the divisional round because Alex Smith isn't a top-tier QB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 hours ago, AmericanFan said: He can't force a trade. Just because a player comes out and says, "I want to be traded," doesn't mean the team has to do it. Sorry if that's what my post was suggesting. I absolutely agree that he can't force a trade but the Texans won't want an unhappy franchise qb about the building. Both parties would be better going their separate ways. This story has gathered so much pace and doesn't seem to go away, if there was nothing in it, Watson could just come out and say he's staying. That hasn't happened as far as I'm aware and because of that it makes me believe he does want out. I think he's an elite player, top 3 or 4 in the league probably and he's still only 25. Yes the Texans would be crazy to lose him but I think trading away Hopkins was the beginning of the end for Watson. This has been a huge bearing on him wanting to move in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Stafford going to the Rams for two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and Jared Goff 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Rams traded 2 first and 2 seconds to draft Goff. Then traded 2 firsts and a 3rd to get rid of Goff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Rams have been done a belter here I think. Stafford is better than Goff but not by enough to justify that high good of a return. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, The Golden God said: Rams have been done a belter here I think. Stafford is better than Goff but not by enough to justify that high good of a return. I agree, but it's because of the size of Goff's contract, rather than just their abilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Two firsts a third and Goff for Stafford... on that basis how much is Watson worth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Two firsts a third and Goff for Stafford... on that basis how much is Watson worth? Watson has a massive contract, so probably similar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff14 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Goff’s contract basically cost picks in itself. I liked Goff, but so frustrating. I think he was 2nd highest in wins since 2017, but also highest interceptions for the same period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Can’t complain about that deal for Stafford. As noted above, of course, you can’t depend on draft picks but a couple of firsts is good going. Goff clearly isn’t as good as Stafford, perhaps the Lions are looking to draft a QB at 7 and Goff would allow them to sit at the start and develop behind him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Wow MONSTAH trade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The Rams haven't had a first round pick since they traded up for Goff in 2016 and now won't have one until 2023 as things stand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, RiG said: The Rams haven't had a first round pick since they traded up for Goff in 2016 and now won't have one until 2023 as things stand. It's 2024. This year's went in the Jalen Ramsey trade, this trade is the 2022 and 2023 first round picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Fucking love it. Genuinely believe we are a decent QB away from being properly decent (and we are decent enough, having made the playoffs 3 of 4 years under McVay) These are going to be late first round picks. The draft is a crapshoot, and we have a good recent mid round drafting record. I'm not arsed about the picks. This screams "dont waste Donald's prime" and I love it. Stafford is going to be a fucking star in this offence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 That's a hell of a trade. I actually kinda like it for both sides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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