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Money can't be that tight if we're paying for two youth sides now. 
It's glorified Renton/ DU youth sides playing in the P&D set up. The likelihood of any of the players playing in those sides coming through will be zero to none. At u-18 level if u had any sort of footballing ability that meant potentially u were going to be playing for a league 2 side. u would already be on the books of a club or set up with that opportunity. At the very least you would be playing in the u-20 development league. Not sure why we aren't trying to put a team in there!
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2 minutes ago, pleslie99 said:
44 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
I assume the lad in question has scored perhaps double figures in all competitions, which include some sort of Countyshire Cup where they've put 4 past Ballachulish Boys Club, rather than scoring double figure league goals. 

I think double figures in the last 4 years sums it up better than double figures for the last 4 years.... Happy to be proven wrong tho.

If that is indeed the case Farrell really needs to stop building expectations and tarting things up to sound better than the are. First of all we had his “joint 2nd” patter and now this. 

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3 minutes ago, pleslie99 said:
43 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
Money can't be that tight if we're paying for two youth sides now. 

It's glorified Renton/ DU youth sides playing in the P&D set up. The likelihood of any of the players playing in those sides coming through will be zero to none. At u-18 level if u had any sort of footballing ability that meant potentially u were going to be playing for a league 2 side. u would already be on the books of a club or set up with that opportunity. At the very least you would be playing in the u-20 development league. Not sure why we aren't trying to put a team in there!

This was the part I didn't really get, why a u17 and u18 and nothing else. Surely one of those and the u20s would have at least provided a bit more of an age range?

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15 minutes ago, Clarko_son said:

This was the part I didn't really get, why a u17 and u18 and nothing else. Surely one of those and the u20s would have at least provided a bit more of an age range?

Getting in before other teams snap them up 

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This was the part I didn't really get, why a u17 and u18 and nothing else. Surely one of those and the u20s would have at least provided a bit more of an age range?
It sounds a bit of a farce, it will be Dumbarton FC in name only. Its a way for DU or Renton to attract players for their set ups by using the Dumbarton name and offering the chance to step up (which won't happen) and the club to say "look at us we have a youth set up in the community". I doubt we will be providing anything for them including coaches. If I was an aspiring young footballer in the area I would be going to Clydebank, great set up, great coaches, great pathway. We will have a 2nd rate u-17 & u-18 team playing at tontine or the common. The point in a youth set up is potentially to provide players who can step up, this is not going to happen (unless we continue to plunge the pyramid)
Sorry for being negative about it but being involved and seeing grassroots week in week out I can see what it is.
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30 minutes ago, pleslie99 said:

It sounds a bit of a farce, it will be Dumbarton FC in name only. Its a way for DU or Renton to attract players for their set ups by using the Dumbarton name and offering the chance to step up (which won't happen) and the club to say "look at us we have a youth set up in the community". I doubt we will be providing anything for them including coaches. If I was an aspiring young footballer in the area I would be going to Clydebank, great set up, great coaches, great pathway. We will have a 2nd rate u-17 & u-18 team playing at tontine or the common. The point in a youth set up is potentially to provide players who can step up, this is not going to happen (unless we continue to plunge the pyramid)
Sorry for being negative about it but being involved and seeing grassroots week in week out I can see what it is.

I don't think there's any need to apologise or feel you're being negative if you have a knowledge how this should work and you're pointing out fair criticisms. 

At first from just seeing the headline I thought it sounded like an interesting idea but as it's just basically a boys club team playing in a local league in Dumbarton tops, then as you say it seems as if all it may achieve is a bit of publicity. My hope is that it develops and grows over time but I won't hold my breath

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3 minutes ago, Frank Quitely said:

Edinburgh City promoted.

I was hoping Annan would make it up after how they treated us on trophy day and after the passing of Gordon Lennon. Shame we repaid them by stealing Josh Todd on an amateur contract, thus doing them out of the small fee they were due for him.

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15 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

I was hoping Annan would make it up after how they treated us on trophy day and after the passing of Gordon Lennon. Shame we repaid them by stealing Josh Todd on an amateur contract, thus doing them out of the small fee they were due for him.

Did we not end up having to fork out anyway after it went to a tribunal?

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Did we not end up having to fork out anyway after it went to a tribunal?
I think we did and that's why he was on an amateur contract. I could be misremembering though. I'd also like Annan to have some glory some day for the reasons bbpf mentioned.
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12 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Our supporters never fail to amaze me, some of them are genuinely the thickest folk I’ve ever come across. If you took the average IQ from folk posting on that Facebook group, experts would have to start a study on what’s in the water in this town to cause the birth of so many pig brained lunatics in the one area.

The lack of footballing knowledge amongst them is fairly frightening.

Not to mention, the one person they actually don’t like is Ian Murray - the guy who undoubtedly did the best for us in my lifetime!!

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6 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

If that is indeed the case Farrell really needs to stop building expectations and tarting things up to sound better than the are. First of all we had his “joint 2nd” patter and now this. 

“Joint 2nd” was absolutely peak Farrell. I think it’s the most entertainment I’ve had from Dumbarton FC this season.

Him also admitting in the FB interview that everyone who says he’s not right for the job is correct was also good.

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8 hours ago, THE CHOSEN SON said:

Did we not end up having to fork out anyway after it went to a tribunal?

 

7 hours ago, microdave said:
8 hours ago, THE CHOSEN SON said:
Did we not end up having to fork out anyway after it went to a tribunal?

I think we did and that's why he was on an amateur contract. I could be misremembering though. I'd also like Annan to have some glory some day for the reasons bbpf mentioned.

Annan wanted 15k for him and we were forced to cough up 5k at a tribunal. We signed him on the amateur contract to try and scumbag our way around paying them what they were due.

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Other clubs were put off signing him as Annan would be due compensation, the figure at that time was still unknown with Annan thought to have demanded as much as £15k.

The Sons signed him on amateur terms, presumably in an attempt to avoid paying the compensation, but were still forced to cough up a figure believed to be £5k at an SFA tribunal.

 

That’s from an article I found after he signed for St Mirren.

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I'm surprised the walking football team hasn't been described as a pathway to the first team yet. I'm all for youth development but when Celtic are signing players at aged 7 and 8 from Renton Craigandro what is the point? 

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Surely the point is that we are reaching out to the wider football community and creating a link that will in future create either first team players or fans! I take on board PL’s comments regarding Club Academy football but that costs money that lost clubs don’t have, hence the relatively small number of clubs operating through CAS. I think the latter is achievable though if the club are building relations with the community. Surely that and other community initiatives should be applauded?

The above doesn’t detract from the shambles on the first team football side, but there’s a sense at the moment that absolutely everything is negative and the club deserve both barrels on everything. 
 

Anything the club are doing to strengthen community relations should be applauded imo. It’s what we’ve failed to do for past generations and it’ll arguably have a more realistic  benefit longer term than the mythical stadium extravaganza on Renton Road.

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14 hours ago, Frank Quitely said:

Anyone had a reply to their Email from the club ?

One of my colleagues in work said he got an email back, just saying they were sorry that at this time he was unwilling to renew and hopefully they see him back at the rock in the future. 

by all accounts it didn't really address any of the points he made in the email but I suppose a reply is better than silence. 

I have yet to get an email back myself from the one I sent...a few other waiting too 

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1 hour ago, microdave said:

That was poor from us.

It was just as poor from Annan tbf. Asking for £15k for a boy they had signed for 2 seasons was ridiculous and basically forced Todd out of football as no club at the level he was at could pay that. The fact the SFA tribunal determined £5k shows they were at it. If they'd brought Todd through their youth system I could understand it but he spent 8 years at Carlisle before joining them. 

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50 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

It was just as poor from Annan tbf. Asking for £15k for a boy they had signed for 2 seasons was ridiculous and basically forced Todd out of football as no club at the level he was at could pay that. The fact the SFA tribunal determined £5k shows they were at it. If they'd brought Todd through their youth system I could understand it but he spent 8 years at Carlisle before joining them. 

Lowest of the low, slagging a team who treated us with nothing but dignity and respect. You could learn a thing or two from Annan Athletic FC.

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