The Moonster Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BallochSonsFan said: I'd be asking whether or not Colin Pie is even still involved? Still listed as a director on the website. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Third Son from the Rock said: There will be no improvement, consolidation or hope; there will be no semblance of a professional football club at the Rock until Messrs A Hosie and Kristoffersen are escorted from the premises. They are charlatans and scumbags who don't give a flying f*ck about Dumbarton FC. Stevie Farrell is hopeless but he didn't award himself a 2 year contract, that was the board. They are also culpable and have to consider their position. Who from the board was at the game today? Anybody know? Maybe they were smart enough to stay away whilst we, the perennial mug punters, rolled up in a frenzy of hope over expectation. I know that the trust club board member was at the game. I spoke with her before the game. Also saw Colin in the community suite before the match. I've yet to meet the chairman in an official capacity or even just to see him out and about within the ground during a home game. And we're essentially running with a 3 person board, none of whom give us all of the professional skills we need to run as a football club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BallochSonsFan said: Vicious circle. The board almost certainly won't sack Farrell. Farrell almost certainly won't quit. Fans threatening to pack season tickets until Farrell goes. What gives first? We're going to reach a point where something has to give, but what? Will the board sack Farrell if every season ticket holder gets in touch with the club and tells them that the only way they'll renew is if Farrell is gone? Maybe that's a start. Maybe it's time for the fans to start taking direct action and make it clear to the board why we're unhappy. It's certainly long overdue time for the board to provide some answers. Answers must be given and the fans’ voice needs to be heard. Surely the board can’t stay silent this summer? The question “can we afford to sack Farrell” often comes up. The question really is “can we afford not to sack him”. Look at what it’s already cost us by sticking by him. Who’s to say that the cost of sacking him now wouldn’t be offset by season ticket sales? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, virginton said: If fans aren't buying STs because they think the manager is shite then that would absolutely result in the manager's departure, at any even halfway serious football club. Withholding ST money is the strongest form of leverage a fan base has against any board, for the very reasons that you have just set out. As soon as a football club board gets your ST money, you are pishing in the wind if you want to put pressure on them. Except that they don't 'need' to do any such thing: they can vote with their wallet and stay away. That is the fundamental flaw in the halfway house position you consistently adopt. Bang on. The constant repetition from BSF of "the team is bad, but you should really be worried about the bad things behind the scenes!!!" fleshed out in 5000 character posts is little more than a pisspoor attempt by him at making the shambles at the club about how smart he is for "seeing the bigger picture". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, FifeSons said: Answers must be given and the fans’ voice needs to be heard. Surely the board can’t stay silent this summer? The question “can we afford to sack Farrell” often comes up. The question really is “can we afford not to sack him”. Look at what it’s already cost us by sticking by him. Who’s to say that the cost of sacking him now wouldn’t be offset by season ticket sales? I doubt if there would be much difference between sacking Farrell and losing season tickets. You'd potentially be looking at 150 season tickets being similar to Farrell's compensation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Crucially though, he'll also feel he can turn it around next season. You've heard him speak, he doesn't come across as the type who will walk away, he'll back himself and his management team. Unfortunately, I think you’re right. He needs to be taken out back and put out of his misery (metaphorically, that is). I thought today was one of the most gutless and shameful displays I’ve ever seen from a Sons side, under the circumstances. Farrell, the self-proclaimed “eternal optimist” who came out and played for a draw. Edited May 7, 2022 by FifeSons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: Bang on. The constant repetition from BSF of "the team is bad, but you should really be worried about the bad things behind the scenes!!!" fleshed out in 5000 character posts is little more than a pisspoor attempt by him at making the shambles at the club about how smart he is for "seeing the bigger picture". Bigger picture Pete. The owners have mortgaged us to our eyeballs and have conned the club out of the land that we've got planning permission on. Cards on the table time? There really is a fucking huge and very ugly picture fans need to see. We're being screwed by our owners and our board are doing nothing to run the club in a competent way. Have a look at the securities granted against club assets with Companies House - securities that may be called in if Henning Kristoffersen and Andy Hosie don't make good on their debt repayments - and tell me that Farrell is the biggest thing that's threatening the club right now. Edited May 7, 2022 by BallochSonsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: I doubt if there would be much difference between sacking Farrell and losing season tickets. You'd potentially be looking at 150 season tickets being similar to Farrell's compensation. Is it even a question of money with this board, though? Or is it just that he’s good pals with the general manager and the board don’t want to get their hands dirty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Bigger picture Pete. The owners have mortgaged us to our eyeballs and have conned the club out of the land that we've got planning permission on. Cards on the table time? There really is a fucking huge and very ugly picture fans need to see. We're being screwed by our owners and our board are doing nothing to run the club in a competent way. We all know the situation. But we can be upset at inept players and management without everything linking back to shady land deals. This isn't Scooby Doo. Sometimes players are just shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 It's been coming for a while now and if we'd managed to stay up, it would likely happen next season. When the final whistle was blown, I looked over to the bench and most were still sitting on it. I think (although I could be wrong) Farrell had gone to the EC bench for handshakes etc. He was over quicker than I thought he would've in the circumstances and I booed him so much that I was hoarse on the way up Castle Road. I only applauded Callum Wilson because I felt sorry for him. He's been a casualty of the manager's choices. I was astounded that the team were getting applause at all. When we played Bonnyrigg in the cup in 2016, they were a junior team and we were in the championship. Barring a collapse next week, we'll be playing them in the league next season which is astonishing in both cases.Farrell out, Andy Graham in please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Sweet Pete said: We all know the situation. But we can be upset at inept players and management without everything linking back to shady land deals. This isn't Scooby Doo. Sometimes players are just shite. Players are shite. If they were better then they wouldn't have got us relegated. Unfortunately shite players and a hopeless manager are the consequences of a hopeless board and crooked owners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo90 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: It's not a case of support the team, pay your money. If people want to withhold season ticket money then wire in. Just understand the consequences. Football clubs are not structured to survive on pay as you go gates. Even if every season ticket holder withheld money up front but continued to attend every home game, there's a knock on impact on the club's ability to continue because it can't budget and plan on whether or not enough fans decide that they fancy turning up on any given Saturday. Want to withhold your season ticket money? Go for it. Unfortunately that's not going to get Farrell out the door or suddenly turn the board into a competent business management team. There are significant challenges at the club and a bigger picture fans need to buy into. If anyone is not renewing that is completely up to them and they should be spared the "oh but if you do that..." patter. I'm one who won't be renewing until there is a change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Thommo90 said: If anyone is not renewing that is completely up to them and they should be spared the "oh but if you do that..." patter. I'm one who won't be renewing until there is a change. Which is every fan's choice. Renew. Don't renew. Entirely up to individual choice. Just understand the consequences. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo90 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, BallochSonsFan said: Which is every fan's choice. Renew. Don't renew. Entirely up to individual choice. Just understand the consequences. Its not my responsibility to keep a professional football club afloat. The ticket prices will no doubt be a joke of a price next year anyway. £250 league 2 football? Not for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Which is every fan's choice. Renew. Don't renew. Entirely up to individual choice. Just understand the consequences. It's the attitude of the lastline that is exactly what I take issue with. You are happy to post endless paragraphs that basically amount to Dad's Army "we're doomed", but never a suggestion for a fix and condescend to anyone who suggests their own stance / fix. Voting with feet is the only power customers have. According to my profile, I've been posting drivel on here since 2008(!) And even back then their were the same posts and threads about dodgy owners, property deals etc. This isn't new. All Sons fans have lived under the yolk of this threat since the early 2000s. Just let people be annoyed about the state of the team without the arch tone because we all already know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 It's a bad day when I'm agreeing with Thommo1690. That's right, we remember... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Thommo90 said: Its not my responsibility to keep a professional football club afloat. The ticket prices will no doubt be a joke of a price next year anyway. £250 league 2 football? Not for me I doubt that they'll be £250. That would be out of step with every other team in the league. At best I reckon they'll be around the £200-£210 mark. I reckon it'll be £14 per game or £11.50 over the course of the season ticket season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I doubt if there would be much difference between sacking Farrell and losing season tickets. You'd potentially be looking at 150 season tickets being similar to Farrell's compensation.It won't even be close to 150 season ticket. There's an interview on the bbc with Dick Campbell where he says that lower league managers would get two months severance pay. Link And I absolutely refuse to believe that our board are so incompetent that there won't be a clause like that in it. Colin Hosie has been a director for about 20 years and in that time we've had ten managers. Six have been sacked. There's no way a director as experienced as him would allow a manager to be appointed without having a severance clause in the contract. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Which is every fan's choice. Renew. Don't renew. Entirely up to individual choice. Just understand the consequences. "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get out what you've always got" That's the renewing ST's like sheep consequence. Edited May 7, 2022 by Boghead ranter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 It's not a relegation until the fans turn on each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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