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55 minutes ago, sonsism said:

Barry Ferguson walked a few weeks back and Alloa are already out of the shit they were in and pretty much safe.

It can be done.  If the board don’t want to do it, that’s a completely different issue.

Alloa had the resources to go out and appoint Brian Rice.

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I dont think a change is coming, so I guess theres nothing else to do but try and support the players.

I thought the boy Stanger done ok at left back on Saturday.  But keeping Boyle and Muir on the bench is a perfect example of Fazz' signing strategy, man management and support to the younger kids.  Never mind that he's dragged Lynch out of hibernation and thrown him in the 11, then subbed him and then subbed the right back again.

He might be a nice guy, he might talk a good game, but we've got to be better.  He was lucky in January I think when on a honking run of form he signed Wylde and Josh before a win and 2 draws.   Since then it's all gone wrong again and we've seen changes in shape, horrible tactics, a terrible lack of squad depth and frustration from the players.

Hopefully he flukes 1 or 2 wins again 

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53 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

Did you actually read my post ?  Where did I suggest that we needed to hire a manager for the remainder of this season ?  I suggested we look to enlist a senior member of the playing staff in a caretaker capacity; failing that the Director charged with football affairs could oversee the operation - are you aware that Stranraer were run by a committee for a large part of their existence ?  At the season's end the whole shebang can be assessed, and for the record the primary duty of a Board of Directors in a limited company is to safeguard the interests of the shareholders.

So let me make this simple.  Imagine the club were you or I, and a big lorry emblazoned with the words 'Relegation & Decline' came hurtling towards us.  I know what I would do - try to avoid the fucker.  You though seem to be suggesting that we stand still and get melted.  Good luck with that.

Do any of the current playing squad hold the coaching badges necessary to act as caretaker?

Given the choice between a current player as caretaker, even if we had somebody who could take on the role, and Farrell then we're better sticking with Farrell. I don't see anybody in the squad even remotely capable of doing better. Paul Paton? Paddy Boyle? Maybe get McGeever involved since he's not going to be playing again this season? Its not like we've got a squad of players who have shown any kind of enthusiasm or will to do better this season.

We've gone past the point where we can bring somebody else in and give them anything like the time needed to work with the current players and try to get more out of them. The time for that was 2 months ago. Not mid March. I don't like the position we're in. I don't like where we're heading. East Fife will have enough belief about them that they can perhaps sneak 9th and I wouldn't put it past them to do exactly that. I just don't see who'd take over with so little time left and make a meaningful difference. We'd need to pay the manager and his assistant to leave. Potentially a decent amount of money. We'd then need to put our faith in somebody who has never managed a team before (player/caretaker) or hope that Colin could convince an out of work manager to come in and take over.

Keeping Farrell until the end of this season isnt an appealing option. Unfortunately we've left it too late - the alternative is equally unappealing. We're left with 2 absolutely terrible choices.

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31 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said:

Alloa had the resources to go out and appoint Brian  Rice.

 

Which is why I don't put all of the blame on Farrell. His performance as manager hasn't been good enough, but our players look like they gave up some time ago. There's absolutely no fight left in them.

Your point was it’s too late in the season to make a change.

And who should be making sure the players have fight in them… ?

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It's going to be tight I think; peterhead have 28 points and are to play us and east fife, 6 points from last 33.

Us, 26 points and 8 points from 33, peterhead at ours in a  few weeks.

EF; 23 points and have taken 10 points from 33.

How different it would have been if we'd not lost to EF and Peterhead.

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Faz should have been relieved of his duties after the East Fife game. Zero points from 9 against fellow relegation fodder simply wasn’t acceptable. We are heading one way at present and regardless of the mechanics of it all the decision really isn’t a difficult one to make. Doing nothing and hoping for some form of magical turnaround, when every indicator available is telling you it’s highly unlikely, is equally as unacceptable and if we go down having stuck with it the board will need to carry their share of the blame.

A change now would give us a chance. A skim one maybe but a slim chance is better than no chance, surely? 

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1 hour ago, BallochSonsFan said:

Do any of the current playing squad hold the coaching badges necessary to act as caretaker?

Given the choice between a current player as caretaker, even if we had somebody who could take on the role, and Farrell then we're better sticking with Farrell. I don't see anybody in the squad even remotely capable of doing better. Paul Paton? Paddy Boyle? Maybe get McGeever involved since he's not going to be playing again this season? Its not like we've got a squad of players who have shown any kind of enthusiasm or will to do better this season.

We've gone past the point where we can bring somebody else in and give them anything like the time needed to work with the current players and try to get more out of them. The time for that was 2 months ago. Not mid March. I don't like the position we're in. I don't like where we're heading. East Fife will have enough belief about them that they can perhaps sneak 9th and I wouldn't put it past them to do exactly that. I just don't see who'd take over with so little time left and make a meaningful difference. We'd need to pay the manager and his assistant to leave. Potentially a decent amount of money. We'd then need to put our faith in somebody who has never managed a team before (player/caretaker) or hope that Colin could convince an out of work manager to come in and take over.

Keeping Farrell until the end of this season isnt an appealing option. Unfortunately we've left it too late - the alternative is equally unappealing. We're left with 2 absolutely terrible choices.

OK, we're going to have to disagree on this, but I have to say that it appears that your take is a distinctly minority one.  However, it is probably one which will prevail at the football club.

But the current team management has set a bar so low though that you really wonder why making a change now is such a wild notion, I mean it's not like Raith loaning us Lewis Vaughn and then promptly being relegated.  I think we both know the answer to that, and I agree with you - money, or rather the apparent lack of it.  And yet, how can that be when the outgoing Company Secretary stated that the club's finances were decent at his time of leaving ?

Perhaps a public statement from the club at this time might provide some clarity, I think the supporters are at least entitled to that.  The Board of Directors need only express full confidence in the Manager and confirm his position remains assured.  Speculation ceases immediately and we are spared a blizzard of posts on here. 

And watch out for that lorry.

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34 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

 I think we both know the answer to that, and I agree with you - money, or rather the apparent lack of it.  And yet, how can that be when the outgoing Company Secretary stated that the club's finances were decent at his time of leaving ?

Looking back at the statement from the new owners now and it’s even more ludicrous than I remember:

“Our priorities will be to:

a) Maintain the legacy of Dumbarton Football Club and build its profile into its 150th year and beyond, and develop a commercial engine to underpin that success.

b) Begin to make the transition to a full-time squad. Our short term target is to create a stable Championship club.

c) Use Henning's global contacts to build links with international clubs and players, especially in Scandinavia.

d) Reignite plans for a new, increased capacity community sports and leisure facility at Young's Farm, without the residential element that previously caused objection.

e) Look to develop the planning permission at Castle Road to financially support the club and contribute towards the new stadium.

f) Increase supporter participation and ownership in the football club.”

Sons sorrow, indeed. 😣

 

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1 hour ago, sonsanorak said:

It's going to be tight I think; peterhead have 28 points and are to play us and east fife, 6 points from last 33.

Us, 26 points and 8 points from 33, peterhead at ours in a  few weeks.

EF; 23 points and have taken 10 points from 33.

How different it would have been if we'd not lost to EF and Peterhead.

You do realise that Peterhead have already beaten us three times this season ?

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6 hours ago, Frank Quitely said:

You do realise that Peterhead have already beaten us three times this season ?

Aye, but I was looking at the recent games.  If we'd won our recent head to heads against they 2 we'd have 32 points, peterhead 25 and east fife 20.  Arguably we'd be feeling safe.

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1 hour ago, sonsanorak said:

Aye, but I was looking at the recent games.  If we'd won our recent head to heads against they 2 we'd have 32 points, peterhead 25 and east fife 20.  Arguably we'd be feeling safe.

But we didn't, and never looked like winning and we're not feeling safe, so I'm not really getting your point.

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15 hours ago, BallochSonsFan said:

You'd honestly want one of the current shower who got us into this mess to suddenly be put in charge?

It's an odd kind of cognitive dissonance that has you criticising the suggestion of a senior player getting the job on these grounds, while you are arguing for the person at the head of the current shower who assembled it and is more responsible than anyone else for getting you into this mess to remain in charge.

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I’ve said before that 32 points ( 2 wins) could be enough for 9th place. That leaves East Fife needing 3 wins and possibly a draw IF we stay ahead on goal difference. Hard to see us getting the 2 wins as things stand, but it’s a slim chance, and warrants the throw of the dice of a senior player in charge to motivate and galvanise the team. 

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The board patheticly offering cheap deals for fans to attend the relegation battle isn’t going to keep us up.  Sling me a ton and I might consider attending but even if it was free entry I wouldn’t go. They can ram it. That’s about the extent of their efforts - “Here maybe if we let c***s in for a tenner that will keep us up”. Get these pretenders so far to f**k.

Out of interest does has anyone met Colin Piechniczek? Does anyone know what his role actually is? I thought he was supposed to be the football guy on the board but I’m not sure anyone has even clapped eyes on him since the announcement that he was joining.

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2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:

It's an odd kind of cognitive dissonance that has you criticising the suggestion of a senior player getting the job on these grounds, while you are arguing for the person at the head of the current shower who assembled it and is more responsible than anyone else for getting you into this mess to remain in charge.

It really isn't.

We don't have time to look for someone outside of the club, appoint them and expect them to make a difference. That would mean that the alleged quick fix is promotion from within. I just don't believe that anybody currently at the club is any better an option than Farrell. They're all bad options. We don't need to throw money away by sacking Farrell and promoting somebody who is no better. If it was January then sacking Farrell is worth it. There's enough time to recruit a new manager and for him to work with the squad.

Right now? I don't believe that there would be a queue of miracle workers out there who would want the job and I don’t believe that any of the current squad, or Farrells assistant would improve things. There's a desire from fans for the club to do something. To do anything. Unfortunately we're past the point where we can reasonably expect to recruit a new manager of any kind of ability and nobody at the club looks to be a better option than Farrell. It's not Farrell because he's the guy capable of saving us. Unfortunately it's Farrell because it's too late in the season to recruit better and nobody currently at the club is a better option. It's Farrell until the end of the season by unhappy default.

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1 minute ago, BallochSonsFan said:

We don't need to throw money away by sacking Farrell and promoting somebody who is no better.

So I assume from that you will be happy for Farrell to remain in place for next season as well? Because I can’t for the life of work out why it would be hellish more expensive to punt him now than in the summer. 

I’m also fairly astounded that you believe just sticking with the same shite is a better option than trying quite literally anything different. I’m not even sure who we bring in needs to be a “miracle worker” all they have to do is motivate the players and hope that we manage to get a few positive results. We don’t need fancy tactics and formations.

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2 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

So I assume from that you will be happy for Farrell to remain in place for next season as well? Because I can’t for the life of work out why it would be hellish more expensive to punt him now than in the summer. 

I’m also fairly astounded that you believe just sticking with the same shite is a better option than trying quite literally anything different. I’m not even sure who we bring in needs to be a “miracle worker” all they have to do is motivate the players and hope that we manage to get a few positive results. We don’t need fancy tactics and formations.

We can adjust budgets in the summer. We can't do that now.

5 figure sum unpaid by the sponsors. Lost revenue from the restricted crowds in dec/Jan. Sacking Farrell and McKeown. Combined could put a £60K hole in our planned budget.

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