Nowhereman Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, George Parr said: In my view the blackout should only return and streaming discontinued once all (and i mean all) restrictions have been retracted. Until then streaming (domestic and abroad) should be permitted. There were no restrictions which impinged on fans attending Saturday's game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Nowhereman said: There were no restrictions which impinged on fans attending Saturday's game Spot on. It was good to see a load of youngsters at the game on Saturday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 The streaming has been invaluable on so many levels, but it can never compare to the live experience. That was brought home on Saturday when Gregg Wylde let fly from 30 yards - there is simply no way (even with an excellent commentary team) that people viewing his goal remotely could have imagined the shared experience those of us at The Rock felt. In fact I would go as far as to say that it was possibly the biggest WOW! moment for Sons fans since Froxy's winner at Oswestry. I have every respect for people who feel that they can't attend in person right now, but for others who can and are beginning to drift away I would encourage you to consider what you may be missing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockson Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said: I've no idea on the numbers who watch but, and I say this as someone obviously involved with the stream, I totally agree with your post. At the start of the season the stream was included in the ST, and that's fair enough given the Covid situation. Some people might not feel comfortable going to games, and there was always the threat of lockdowns and restrictions. For next season though I'd imagine (unless Covid changes) that the 3pm blackout will be back and that'll be the end of streaming for most clubs. It's probably hurting our away gates too; if you're an East Fife fan who hasn't seen them win away from home since God knows when are you going to spend the money and time associated with an away day, when you can stream it from home for £12? I live in Fife and usually don't get to home games much so a season ticket doesn't usually make financial sense or me. For the past two seasons I have bought one precisely because of the streaming. In normal times I see many more away games than home ones which doesn't help DFC much except for my vocal support of the team. These past two seasons I haven't been inside an away ground nor bought an away stream. Continuing of streaming would obviously benefit me - and give the club my season ticket money - but perhaps not home attendances more generally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Perhaps if the club sold the season ticket to "abroad" fans with a link to an affiliated VPN perhaps a "sponsor" then this would be a happy medium rather than lose much needed income. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordyBrow Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) I’m in a similar situation to various other people for whom a season ticket wouldn’t make sense were it not for the streaming. I live too far away from Dumbarton to make it to more than the odd home game, but have bought season tickets to access the streaming over the past two seasons. Personally I’d love for that to be able to continue, the club gets my money and I can watch matches I wouldn’t otherwise. Perhaps there could be a more expensive “season ticket with streaming” option going forward? This would allow those in my situation to mainly stream, but attend the odd game when possible, but dissuade locals from taking that option. Granted that doesn’t offer any provision for away fans to stream a match and it’s probably less viable to have a higher single match streaming price than the pay at gate price. Edited January 18 by GordyBrow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrobell Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 It’s always much better to be at the game than watching it on a stream so I do t think streaming g would dissuade locals from turning up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, kenrobell said: I do t think streaming g would dissuade locals from turning up The fact that the home team isn't Rangers or Celtic does that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 hours ago, the snudge said: Perhaps if the club sold the season ticket to "abroad" fans with a link to an affiliated VPN perhaps a "sponsor" then this would be a happy medium rather than lose much needed income. I'd be delighted if we did this and would happily pay a premium. The streams have been a Godsend for me. Speaking of which, I wonder how much we're charging for the Dundee game? I haven't seen the price anywhere yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) The club can't punt something like that, it's illegal. Edited January 19 by The Moonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: The club can't punt something like that, it's illegal. That's why Rangers and Hibernian are doing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: The club can't punt something like that, it's illegal. It's illegal to stream for fans abroad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, the snudge said: It's illegal to stream for fans abroad? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're proposing - you suggested we flog a season ticket together with a VPN to fans so that those fans can watch the game no matter where they are? Under normal black out rules you can't do that, officially. If you're just suggesting we sell season tickets to fans who are actually abroad then they don't need a VPN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, LeodhasXD said: That's why Rangers and Hibernian are doing it. They're providing fans the info on how to use a VPN in order to circumvent black out rules? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron2000 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 https://www.dumbartonfootballclub.com/news/?id=5214&mode=viewUpdate on Mark Lamont and David Hopkirk with conformation that neither is costing us anything but both are still listed in the squad just in case of emergency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: They're providing fans the info on how to use a VPN in order to circumvent black out rules? Tacitly, yes. Take Hibs for example. Edited January 19 by LeodhasXD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Fair enough, I'd have thought the authorities would have something to say about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're proposing - you suggested we flog a season ticket together with a VPN to fans so that those fans can watch the game no matter where they are? Under normal black out rules you can't do that, officially. If you're just suggesting we sell season tickets to fans who are actually abroad then they don't need a VPN. It could be coincidental that we choose to have a VPN "sponsor" for streaming games to those "abroad" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 16 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Fair enough, I'd have thought the authorities would have something to say about that. There's nothing illegal about it. It's just against the terms and conditions agreed with Sky. It is, however, impossible to police. The SPFL oversight is always overstated. The SPFL is the clubs and from my understanding of the generally older and technically naive guys in charge; either noone has their finger on the pulse or if they do they keep quiet because it benefits them, at least relatively. The TV deals were the main income in a sponsor less SPFL and still now a majority of the prize money, This might seem a mad stance to take by burning your own income source but the reality is the teams with bigger supports will strengthen compared to the smaller teams and especially teams like mine and yours. A team like Rangers who, credit to them, were miles ahead of everyone on streaming at the beginning of the pandemic probably lose out to TV deals. Tinfoil hat time, when Rangers oppose 10 other Premiership sides to not have fans in the stadium its because they're number one at streaming and the rest will hurt a lot more than they will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 18/01/2022 at 15:12, the snudge said: Perhaps if the club sold the season ticket to "abroad" fans with a link to an affiliated VPN perhaps a "sponsor" then this would be a happy medium rather than lose much needed income. Cynical, and I presume something that the SPFL would crack down on if everyone was doing it, though I take on Board what Leo is saying about Hibs and Rangers. It's pretty disgraceful if they are getting away with that. On 18/01/2022 at 18:18, GordyBrow said: Perhaps there could be a more expensive “season ticket with streaming” option going forward? This would allow those in my situation to mainly stream, but attend the odd game when possible, but dissuade locals from taking that option. Granted that doesn’t offer any provision for away fans to stream a match and it’s probably less viable to have a higher single match streaming price than the pay at gate price. 23 hours ago, FifeSons said: I'd be delighted if we did this and would happily pay a premium. The streams have been a Godsend for me. This is not within Dumbarton's remit to offer though. If the pre-pandemic conditions return then you can't do that. 7 hours ago, LeodhasXD said: There's nothing illegal about it. It's just against the terms and conditions agreed with Sky. It is, however, impossible to police. The SPFL oversight is always overstated. The SPFL is the clubs and from my understanding of the generally older and technically naive guys in charge; either noone has their finger on the pulse or if they do they keep quiet because it benefits them, at least relatively. Do you think you could split that hair any thinner? No, it's not "illegal", nobody's going to jail for it, but it is contrary to SPFL rules and potentially liable to get clubs fined. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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