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1 hour ago, BallochSonsFan said:

He can't. He can tell Sweeney that Brabco has agreed to his suggestion, but Hosie himself can't do any of it.

He also couldn't do anything without authorisation from the Brabco directors. I don't see Stainton and Wilson (or the other investors we never discovered the identities of) being party to something that risks the sale of their stake in Brabco.

So what I can gather from all of this is that- Sweeney and Hosie have a personal problem which cannot affect DFC directly. But all these marshy going-ons are detrimental to the running of the FC in the short to long term?

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6 minutes ago, lorenzo71 said:

So what I can gather from all of this is that- Sweeney and Hosie have a personal problem which cannot affect DFC directly. But all these marshy going-ons are detrimental to the running of the FC in the short to long term?

Pretty much. It's going to get messy between Sweeney and Hosie. Theres no way that Hosie would have been able to do anything that Sweeney has claimed without the knowledge and agreement of Brabco (regarding Brabco matters) or the club board (regarding club assets). That doesnt mean that the uncertainty until the dispute is resolved will do anything but frustrate the club and the new owners.

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2 hours ago, FifeSons said:

Football club ownership is like moths to a flame for dodgy characters. I don’t really understand why, either.

It's easier to for dodgy people to do dodgy things with football clubs. There's little regulation to protect clubs specifically as important community assets and by the time the dodgy character has done their dodgy deeds then it's too late for the football authorities to start talking about fit and proper people. We really need better protection for football clubs in the UK.

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The positive is that none of this should really affect Faz or the team. It's essentially a legal (or perhaps illegal) battle between two dodgy characters and whilst we need to keep an eye on what transpires, I fail to see any way in which our continued existence is "a distant possibility". 

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27 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

The positive is that none of this should really affect Faz or the team. It's essentially a legal (or perhaps illegal) battle between two dodgy characters and whilst we need to keep an eye on what transpires, I fail to see any way in which our continued existence is "a distant possibility". 

Our certified accounts also dispel the myth that Dumbarton FC Ltd are a struggling business. ‘Healthy’ is the word used from recollection.

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7 minutes ago, Thommo90 said:

How many fans are we letting into the rangers colts games?  Some rangers fans think they will be getting 2000.

Not a chance 

"We" won't be letting anyone in. Rangers are renting the ground and I assume will be responsible for ticketing/stewarding.

In any case, if any Rangers fan thinks anywhere near 2,000 are turning up for a fucking colts game then they need their head checked. 

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18 minutes ago, Boghead ranter said:

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Bill Heaney seems very happy to accept Mr Sweeney's version of events given the allegations in the article which are made against Mr Hosie. I am sure that Bill knows the defamation laws so he must be very sure of his position

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1 hour ago, BallochSonsFan said:

It's easier to for dodgy people to do dodgy things with football clubs. There's little regulation to protect clubs specifically as important community assets and by the time the dodgy character has done their dodgy deeds then it's too late for the football authorities to start talking about fit and proper people. We really need better protection for football clubs in the UK.

I'm happy to be contradicted on any of this, but it is my understanding that the SFA is generally content to accept the recommendation/approval  of the clubs themselves; in other words the clubs can effectively be marking their own homework.  That may be OK in most cases but the presence of Andy Hosie in Dumbarton's affairs is far from perfect, such is his business track record.  Unfortunately it appears that the same Mr Hosie has apparently been the main source of funding for the club until recently which probably explains why the club Board has kept very quiet, presumably hoping it all goes away.  That may now no longer be a realistic option, never mind any failure of management.

As for Heaney, for an experienced journalist he has broken one of the golden rules - HE has become as much the story as the shitstirring article he wrote.

 

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1 hour ago, BallochSonsFan said:

It's easier to for dodgy people to do dodgy things with football clubs. There's little regulation to protect clubs specifically as important community assets and by the time the dodgy character has done their dodgy deeds then it's too late for the football authorities to start talking about fit and proper people. We really need better protection for football clubs in the UK.

It’s happened to a serious amount of British clubs in recent times. Off the top of my head: Bolton, Blackpool, Portsmouth, Livingston, Darlington, Bury, Boston, Stockport, Rangers.

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15 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

"We" won't be letting anyone in. Rangers are renting the ground and I assume will be responsible for ticketing/stewarding.

In any case, if any Rangers fan thinks anywhere near 2,000 are turning up for a fucking colts game then they need their head checked. 

Lucky if 10% of 2000 show up

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Bill Heaney seems very happy to accept Mr Sweeney's version of events given the allegations in the article which are made against Mr Hosie. I am sure that Bill knows the defamation laws so he must be very sure of his position
Hopefully, he is becoming sloppy (sloppier ) in his old age, doesn't think his blog needs to be as accurate as a newspaper article, and someone sues him.

Or perhaps that's what you are suggesting/hoping too?!
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1 hour ago, mike rankine said:

Hopefully, he is becoming sloppy (sloppier emoji848.png) in his old age, doesn't think his blog needs to be as accurate as a newspaper article, and someone sues him.

Or perhaps that's what you are suggesting/hoping too?!

The article states that Hosie stole £2,000,000. That is a serious allegation and I am surprised that Bill Heaney is simply prepared to accept someone's word on that before publishing. Unless he knows more of course. I would also be surprised if he thought that he didn't have to be so careful because it is not a print newspaper or if he didn't realise the significance of such an allegation.

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Sweeney's suggestion that Hosie "stole" money. It sounds like an annoyed investor venting his frustration about the Bet Butler collapse. Probably just ill chosen words. Sweeney isn't going to admit that Hosie conned him out of £2million by selling him a worthless investment opportunity. Nobody wants to admit that they were duped for that amount of money. Something Heaney should be careful about though. 

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A few things that stood out for me last night… I thought the two young guys done well, both looked confident on the ball, neither of them hiding. Wilson had a couple of wild efforts but I don’t mind him having the baws to have a dig from range. I thought in general we looked far better going forward than what we’ve been used to in the last few years and it was refreshing to watch a Dumbarton team try to play actual football. Duthie was once again involved in everything and I have high hopes for him this season.

I do think we look a bit unfit though, I appreciate we were missing a fair whack of players, including arguably 4 starters, but we tired badly from about the 50th minute. Hopefully that’s just a one off given the situation. Geggan in particular looked a couple of yards off the pace from the start.

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25 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

A few things that stood out for me last night… I thought the two young guys done well, both looked confident on the ball, neither of them hiding. Wilson had a couple of wild efforts but I don’t mind him having the baws to have a dig from range. I thought in general we looked far better going forward than what we’ve been used to in the last few years and it was refreshing to watch a Dumbarton team try to play actual football. Duthie was once again involved in everything and I have high hopes for him this season.

I do think we look a bit unfit though, I appreciate we were missing a fair whack of players, including arguably 4 starters, but we tired badly from about the 50th minute. Hopefully that’s just a one off given the situation. Geggan in particular looked a couple of yards off the pace from the start.

I got the feeling from speaking to Faz at the end that Geggan was only playing because of our lack of bodies. He mentioned that he wasn't 100 percent fit, but that he wanted to play. I think Maclean would've came off after his knock too if things had been a bit more normal. Hopkirk and Stokes both tired too - but they've been in isolation for 10 days, so won't have trained much recently. 

In better news, the Covid four will be out of isolation on Friday and apparently they are all fine. Felt it a wee bit at first, but seem to be on the road to recovery. Obviously going from a week in the house to the pitch at East End Park is a big ask - but it should lift a wee bit of the pressure from last night.

Totally agree on the young guys. Inexperience caught out Muir for the winner, but on the whole I was delighted with his performance. He looked confident on the ball and a threat going forward. I saw flashes of Daniel Harvie with the way he took on players before whipping balls in. He hadn't met any of his teammates until last night - so fair play to him. That can't be easy for anyone, let alone an 19-year-old making his SPFL debut.

At half-time Chris said to me that wee Callum Wilson was playing like Iniesta! He was absolutely superb. His passing was excellent, the way he took players on was good to see and he looks incredibly useful at picking up possession, quickly wheeling away from his man and finding a pass. He looked done in after about 70 minutes and started making mistakes, but considering he didn't kick a ball for the whole of last season I'm guessing that will have been his first 90 minutes since playing for Hibernian U16s around March 2020 time. Which is mad.

I think we might get a bit of a pasting at EEP on Saturday to be brutally honest. But heading into the league season I'm still upbeat. Last night was a good game to watch. It was nice to see two teams who wanted to win it after a season of Duffyball.

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