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I doubt we would be able to stream an away game in the bar. Every other club will be trying to sell as many pay per views as possible so they are hardly going to agree to sell one to DFC so that we can get a whole load of fans in to watch it
Presumably though...if our club sold tickets...say 80...and agreed to pay the home team the streaming costs for 80... plus a small mark up...it might work?

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You'd almost certainly be looking at a commercial streaming rate.

£10 to watch the game at home? Commercial rate may be £200 for 40 - 50 fans to watch at a slimmed down version of hospitality with a light lunch and bar access. Clearly if we were getting 50 fans in and charging for a slimmed down hospitality then there's money to be made. Just not a whole lot of money by the time the caterer covers their costs and we get the function suite sanitised.

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I should add that I've got all the sympathy in the world for the board. The advice is changing week to week and it's very difficult for the club to plan for all eventualities. Limited numbers? Fine - you can plan for X number of fans initially and for that figure to increase as public health advice and restrictions change. No fans? Fair enough - you can plan for streaming and other ways of generating revenue. Going from one position to another with little notice so close to football returning? Absolute nightmare. The board are doing their absolute best in difficult, ever changing circumstances.

All of that said, right now we need as much clarity as possible. Can't get fans into the ground? We move to plan B. Tell us what plan B is and how we can help the club. I'll also add that the Sons Trust has been quiet throughout all of this. I'd have liked the trust to be a wee bit more visible throughout lockdown and with the various challenges facing the club. The trust have commented on colt team plans, on the club board representative and wished the manager good health following his heart attack but there has been a lack of comment on the challenges that the club faces or the support's views on the 20/21 season.

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I doubt we would be able to stream an away game in the bar. Every other club will be trying to sell as many pay per views as possible so they are hardly going to agree to sell one to DFC so that we can get a whole load of fans in to watch it


Oh well that’s that then. No point discussing it further.

Or maybe a bit of negotiation may see it work.

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9 minutes ago, Jordo1872 said:

 


Oh well that’s that then. No point discussing it further.

Or maybe a bit of negotiation may see it work.

 

I've had local OF fans say they would watch a sons stream if it was about a tenner. 

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I've had local OF fans say they would watch a sons stream if it was about a tenner. 


I’ve got a good mate, who is a Celtic fan but probably attends a few Sons games a season with me, asked about buying a season ticket this year to help the club out. Despite the general feeling of apathy from the town towards the club I do think some will want to contribute in some way.

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I think a large part of the problem is that for months now everyone has been aware of the situation but events are now accelerating dramatically and there seems to be very little advice or support from the game's administrators for the smaller clubs especially . Perhaps now that we appear to be staring into the abyss there will be a galvanising process in terms of interest and season ticket uptake, but for that to happen the Board of DFC needs to really get onto the front foot and canvass the whole community, and especially the business sector; we simply cannot expect the same band of supporters to dig deep on a continued basis.

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2 hours ago, sons superhero said:

I've had local OF fans say they would watch a sons stream if it was about a tenner. 

 

4 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Glory hunters!

 

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Question for anyone with knowledge of these AI cameras - is there any scope to actually just have a guy controlling it? Getting a bit worried about the quality of stream I'm seeing at other clubs, the Stenny match in particular is unwatchable. The camera just pans out and its impossible to see who's on the ball, pretty poor quality picture too if I'm honest. Feels a bit like we've been sold a prototype that isn't quite ready for mass use.

The club has my money and I won't be asking for it back regardless but for it to be a success I think you'll need a better service than I'm seeing. 

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Question for anyone with knowledge of these AI cameras - is there any scope to actually just have a guy controlling it? Getting a bit worried about the quality of stream I'm seeing at other clubs, the Stenny match in particular is unwatchable. The camera just pans out and its impossible to see who's on the ball, pretty poor quality picture too if I'm honest. Feels a bit like we've been sold a prototype that isn't quite ready for mass use.
The club has my money and I won't be asking for it back regardless but for it to be a success I think you'll need a better service than I'm seeing. 
You are the second person this weekend who I'm aware has now raised this issue Moonster, and if it is as poor as you suggest then it is a huge concern as we can forget any mass uptake. I'm still trying to understand how I could sit all afternoon drinking indoors in the Stags Head but I cannot sit masked and distances in the open air at The Rock. I think the SPFL need to ask the Scottish Government to explain this.

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The quality has to be right or fans won't watch.

Not convinced that an AI camera will properly keep up with a game or that the picture quality will be good enough. The goal clip from our friendly against BSC didnt look particularly good. Maybe thats down to system settings needing tweaked. Its why I'd like to see us do a proper trial over the course of a couple of games. User testing has to be a priority and it has to be done urgently. If we expect things to just work for the start of the season then we're going to need an incredible amount of luck. Streaming in UK hockey works well now, but that hasnt always been the case and in the early days of webcasts there were a lot of very unhappy fans paying for something that didnt really deliver.

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1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

You are the second person this weekend who I'm aware has now raised this issue Moonster, and if it is as poor as you suggest then it is a huge concern as we can forget any mass uptake. I'm still trying to understand how I could sit all afternoon drinking indoors in the Stags Head but I cannot sit masked and distances in the open air at The Rock. I think the SPFL need to ask the Scottish Government to explain this.

The SG hate football. It's that simple, we cannot be trusted. Despite being a fan of Sturgeon, her party is full to the brim of football hating weirdos. Mind we're already on a yellow card because Premiership clubs can't even control their players, we've no hope of getting sad wee diddy fans back at grounds. 

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2 hours ago, The Moonster said:

Question for anyone with knowledge of these AI cameras - is there any scope to actually just have a guy controlling it? Getting a bit worried about the quality of stream I'm seeing at other clubs, the Stenny match in particular is unwatchable. The camera just pans out and its impossible to see who's on the ball, pretty poor quality picture too if I'm honest. Feels a bit like we've been sold a prototype that isn't quite ready for mass use.

The club has my money and I won't be asking for it back regardless but for it to be a success I think you'll need a better service than I'm seeing. 

We streamed a friendly a couple weeks ago & suffered many of the same problems, ie the camera stuck at one end of pitch when play had moved on tp the other end. Did not think too much of it at the time i presumed the club had a operator using a joystick to control the picture but it appears its remote. Would expect that folk would tire of that standard of coverage.

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Say for talks sake, Carswell works in a care home and plays part time for sons. He contracts covid 19 through work but stopped off for a coffee with his family without knowing he was infected. Gets tested, gets tracked and traced. Isolates. Would Dumbarton be subject to the same breach and fine that Celtic and Aberdeen have had? 

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3 minutes ago, the snudge said:

Say for talks sake, Carswell works in a care home and plays part time for sons. He contracts covid 19 through work but stopped off for a coffee with his family without knowing he was infected. Gets tested, gets tracked and traced. Isolates. Would Dumbarton be subject to the same breach and fine that Celtic and Aberdeen have had? 

I dont think so, my understanding is that because premiership clubs are full time they are confined to a strict bubble and therfore have restrictions on what they can and cannot do outwith the football club. Part time clubs will not have the same restrictions as it is assumed the players will be working other jobs. 

That being said, if we had a player who blatantly broke the governmemts restrictions such as did not quarantine after being abroad or held a house party etc. I assume we, as a club, would feel the full force of both the SFA and Scottish government. 

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3 hours ago, The Moonster said:

Question for anyone with knowledge of these AI cameras - is there any scope to actually just have a guy controlling it? Getting a bit worried about the quality of stream I'm seeing at other clubs, the Stenny match in particular is unwatchable. The camera just pans out and its impossible to see who's on the ball, pretty poor quality picture too if I'm honest. Feels a bit like we've been sold a prototype that isn't quite ready for mass use.

The club has my money and I won't be asking for it back regardless but for it to be a success I think you'll need a better service than I'm seeing. 

I think it’s strictly automatic but the camera can be calibrated to adjust things like colour correction, gain etc. 

I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of what I’ve seen at all and when the camera is in the correct position it’s incredibly hard to see whats going on because it’s far too wide. I’m not sure if it can zoom in any further or not but that’s the main issue for me. In it’s current guise folk will get bored after a couple of games IMO. I’ve watched plenty of streams from lower league football in the past, and whilst some are superior to others, you can at least see what’s happening in the game. Perhaps having commentry over it will help. 

Here’s highlights from Stenny V K€lty H£art$ for anyone who wants a swatch of the new system 

 

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53 minutes ago, the snudge said:

Say for talks sake, Carswell works in a care home and plays part time for sons. He contracts covid 19 through work but stopped off for a coffee with his family without knowing he was infected. Gets tested, gets tracked and traced. Isolates. Would Dumbarton be subject to the same breach and fine that Celtic and Aberdeen have had? 

I mean catching covid at work is a bit different from going to Spain, not telling anyone or isolating upon return and continuing to train and play. In terms of the Aberdeen thing, rules will be different for part-time clubs, simply because they have to be. You can’t enforce such rules on guys who are working away from football etc. 

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1 hour ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

I think it’s strictly automatic but the camera can be calibrated to adjust things like colour correction, gain etc. 

I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of what I’ve seen at all and when the camera is in the correct position it’s incredibly hard to see whats going on because it’s far too wide. I’m not sure if it can zoom in any further or not but that’s the main issue for me. In it’s current guise folk will get bored after a couple of games IMO. I’ve watched plenty of streams from lower league football in the past, and whilst some are superior to others, you can at least see what’s happening in the game. Perhaps having commentry over it will help. 

Here’s highlights from Stenny V K€lty H£art$ for anyone who wants a swatch of the new system 

 

I'd agree with that, when the ball is at either end the camera really needs to zoom into the action, too far out to see whats going on.

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8 minutes ago, sirscottyoung said:

Chris Hamilton incoming from hearts 

Our attempts to rebuild Cowdenbeath's team from last season are just missing big Mango.

On the Pixellot front, just to settle everyone a wee bit. The camera was only connected on Friday afternoon and we ran the test on Saturday totally remotely. Everything was set up from home and Pixellot haven't fully calibrated the camera yet afaik. 

I watched the whole game on it and, to be honest, it went far better than I was expecting. Yes there were times where the camera got distracted, yes there were times where it was slow, but for the most part it was decent. There were issues with the contrast, and fixing them I'm hoping will lead to some of the ball following issues being fixed too.

Our goal wasn't captured well on it, but BSC's was - so I've attached it below. Woeful defending mind you, but Agyeman was excellent throughout the whole game. There's a full report in tomorrow's Lennox too ;)

 

Edited by Jan Vojáček

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