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How was Jack Aitchison for you guys? We've been linked with a loan deal. Type of player is he?


No idea if he is any good because he didn’t stick around long enough for us to see if he had any ability.

As SE says, he ran back to Celtic after a small handful of very average performances.

We really needed some grit, determination and commitment when he came in, unfortunately he looked to me as if he didn’t want to put in a shift and the phrase ‘heart of a mouse’ comes to mind.

Good Luck with that one.

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Just looking back at the summary from the Q&A with the club.

What's everyone's thought on this :

"Duffy believes that we have the 2nd lowest budget in League One. The club doesnt agree but acknowledges that the budget has been set at an affordable level because they won't risk the club's financial stability"

Are we wanting to be more ambitious or are we glad that budgets are being strict so we have a club in years to come?

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I don't remember Colin Hosie putting it in exactly those words, but reading between the lines that's what's happening.

I'm quite content for the board to take care of the club at the expense of the league. There should have been more consideration of where the money was going when we were enjoying the wealth of the championship.

Just looking back at the summary from the Q&A with the club.
What's everyone's thought on this :
"Duffy believes that we have the 2nd lowest budget in League One. The club doesnt agree but acknowledges that the budget has been set at an affordable level because they won't risk the club's financial stability"
Are we wanting to be more ambitious or are we glad that budgets are being strict so we have a club in years to come?

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24 minutes ago, sonsanorak said:

I don't remember Colin Hosie putting it in exactly those words, but reading between the lines that's what's happening.

I'm quite content for the board to take care of the club at the expense of the league. There should have been more consideration of where the money was going when we were enjoying the wealth of the championship.

To exceed your budget leads to disaster, down here at Stair Park we can tell you that, even taking a gamble on possible cup monies should be avoided.

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2 minutes ago, thomas 62 said:

To exceed your budget leads to disaster, down here at Stair Park we can tell you that, even taking a gamble on possible cup monies should be avoided.

Have you overspent in recent years?

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7 minutes ago, lorenzo71 said:

Have you overspent in recent years?

Yep nearly killed the club, last season was we had about 80% of our team all youths most on loan, had to let our experienced players go could not fund their wages, cutting our cloth and good financial management pulled us through.

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But you seem to have recruited reasonably well this season.What do your fans think of the manager?I liked him when he was at the Rock.

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I would rather see us drop to the Lowland League than fire silly money at things and risk the club's future.

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Just looking back at the summary from the Q&A with the club.
What's everyone's thought on this :
"Duffy believes that we have the 2nd lowest budget in League One. The club doesnt agree but acknowledges that the budget has been set at an affordable level because they won't risk the club's financial stability"
Are we wanting to be more ambitious or are we glad that budgets are being strict so we have a club in years to come?



The longevity of the club is the most important thing IMHO.

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We've assembled a squad with the future of the club in mind by the looks of it.

Which we all seem to agree is the most important thing.

Next question.

Do we think there was better players out there with what we could afford?

Or does it ease our minds a little knowing that although we don't have a great squad this season at least we have seasons ahead of us with q club to support?

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We've assembled a squad with the future of the club in mind by the looks of it.
Which we all seem to agree is the most important thing.
Next question.
Do we think there was better players out there with what we could afford?
Or does it ease our minds a little knowing that although we don't have a great squad this season at least we have seasons ahead of us with q club to support?
I think that's a hard question to answer. There was a lot of players available who we all agreed we would have liked to see at the rock and it never happened. Was it the budget or something else. We can speculate about what players are on but realistically none of us know for sure. Do we seriously think teams such as cowdenbeath, East Kilbride etc are paying their players more than us? If so where are they getting the money?

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We've assembled a squad with the future of the club in mind by the looks of it.
Which we all seem to agree is the most important thing.
Next question.
Do we think there was better players out there with what we could afford?
Or does it ease our minds a little knowing that although we don't have a great squad this season at least we have seasons ahead of us with q club to support?
There was most definitely better out there.

Duffy has mad a total arse of this summer.

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Just looking back at the summary from the Q&A with the club.
What's everyone's thought on this :
"Duffy believes that we have the 2nd lowest budget in League One. The club doesnt agree but acknowledges that the budget has been set at an affordable level because they won't risk the club's financial stability"
Are we wanting to be more ambitious or are we glad that budgets are being strict so we have a club in years to come?
Financial security with calculated risk.

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Just looking back at the summary from the Q&A with the club.
What's everyone's thought on this :
"Duffy believes that we have the 2nd lowest budget in League One. The club doesnt agree but acknowledges that the budget has been set at an affordable level because they won't risk the club's financial stability"
Are we wanting to be more ambitious or are we glad that budgets are being strict so we have a club in years to come?


The longer term stability of the club should always come before short term (over) ambition. I say over because it doesn’t mean the club can’t have ambitious plans, but that requires a longer term vision and sustainable business model.

One thing that’s obvious is that we don’t make enough of the current stadium. Out with match days it must be 10-20% utilised, at a guess. Most clubs from the Championship upwards will have their facilities used routinely throughout the week. That generates a non-match day income that drives up their budget relative to ours.

We have two fully licensed bars, one ideal for small to medium functions, the other one of the biggest capacity venues in the area. They should be used to their full potential.

Simon spoke about Duffy not being prepared to make promises based on forecasted budgets and that’s absolutely right imo. If the club can maximise non-match day revenue to a point where you have a fully committed annual calendar that would help.

Of course so would a managers fund and the various Trust fundraisers.

As much as we can rely on the odd sponsor donation that’s not something you can come to expect.

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I think that's a hard question to answer. There was a lot of players available who we all agreed we would have liked to see at the rock and it never happened. Was it the budget or something else. We can speculate about what players are on but realistically none of us know for sure. Do we seriously think teams such as cowdenbeath, East Kilbride etc are paying their players more than us? If so where are they getting the money?


It’s pretty much a certainty that they’ll be paying more than us, and as far I know, both the clubs you mentioned have outside investment to help with that.

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Duffy did say he couldn’t believe how much over paid our previous squads were.

I presume the players we all would’ve liked to sign were expecting a fair wedge, and Duffy/club had already set maximum wage barriers

Our club is open 3-5 days a week, would there be a possibility of opening the bar 7 days a week as a wee social club/pub, for extra revenue?

I don’t mind the lesser paid players at the club, but it’s definitely up to Duffy to prove how good a manager he is, to coach, and mould these guys into a professional and good enough squad to compete.

Club before squad in my opinion

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2 hours ago, lorenzo71 said:

But you seem to have recruited reasonably well this season.What do your fans think of the manager?I liked him when he was at the Rock.

Faz top guy,  has patience in close season to get best value for money available.

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We've assembled a squad with the future of the club in mind by the looks of it.
Which we all seem to agree is the most important thing.
Next question.
Do we think there was better players out there with what we could afford?
Or does it ease our minds a little knowing that although we don't have a great squad this season at least we have seasons ahead of us with q club to support?
Sorry, my mind is not at ease at all. And that's because I believe that the decline of the football club is EXACTLY what the majority shareholder seeks, as it hastens their aim of monetising the real estate which the club currently occupies.

We learned that they are having a second tilt at a project which no-one wants. My take on this is that it is a complete red herring, but rather than try and force the issue in full public glare they probably prefer an implosion from within. 'It is with deep regret, etc.,'

Maybe I'm wildly off the mark here, and I sincerely hope I am, but comparisons between DFC and other clubs like Forfar, Stranraer, etc., are also unfair as none of them are labouring under the grotesque situation the Deal From Hell has landed Dumbarton in.

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Sorry, my mind is not at ease at all. And that's because I believe that the decline of the football club is EXACTLY what the majority shareholder seeks, as it hastens their aim of monetising the real estate which the club currently occupies.

We learned that they are having a second tilt at a project which no-one wants. My take on this is that it is a complete red herring, but rather than try and force the issue in full public glare they probably prefer an implosion from within. 'It is with deep regret, etc.,'

Maybe I'm wildly off the mark here, and I sincerely hope I am, but comparisons between DFC and other clubs like Forfar, Stranraer, etc., are also unfair as none of them are labouring under the grotesque situation the Deal From Hell has landed Dumbarton in.


Or indeed the legacy of mismanagement from previous boards that left the club with an asset in need of urgent repairs yet no ring fenced maintenance funds to draw from. Basic asset management failures that left the current board having to find that money from elsewhere; compounded by the drop in ST sales and away support meaning that particular pot was already tight.

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I've suggested this before but I'll repeat it given latest discussions. 

The club isn't marketed enough, we're tucked away at the bottom or Castle Road. Out of sight out of mind. 

Is there no way we could get a 'next home fixture' sign in a prominent location to try and get passive potential fans down to the Rock?

 

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