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4 minutes ago, Sons FC said:

The OS are looking at players who have played for both Sons and Motherwell and as well as the ones they mention, I can think of Jumbo Muir and Brian Heron. I am sure there are others.

Paddy Boyle, Dom Thomas , nicky Devlin

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The OS are looking at players who have played for both Sons and Motherwell and as well as the ones they mention, I can think of Jumbo Muir and Brian Heron. I am sure there are others.
Colin McNair, Colin McAdam, Joe Carson, John Donnelly and Alan McKay too. Maybe Raymond Blair?

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after watching:

- I like the shirt, the borussia of the rock!

- QoS is a better team than sons, probably we dont play in league against players like dobbie and CIA.

- after a good begining, we cant receive 4 goals in 20 minutes, it is impossible, the second half has been more matched (maybe QoS doesnt effort too much)

KEEPER, brennan isnt oblak but I think is good enough (comparing with the rest of the team)

DEFENSE

-mcgeever & neill are big but extremelly slow, they are very similar, maybe should play one of then with mcmillan as the centre back, so we should sign another RB

-quitongo is a good left full back but weak defending, he must improve, but full back who attack are important if we play without wingers (or close wingers)

MIDFIELD, i like the trio carswell as anchor, mckee as playmaker and hutton helping both

STRIKERS, mcclauskey and tierney have made really good movement, changing continually their positions, they can make troubles in L1, despite the goal PJ crossan has been the weakly

maybe a strong striker who pins up their defense and let free to tierney and mcclauskey is needed

 

people who speak about players like dom thomas and similar are players better than L1, it was a gift have them last year

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On 19/07/2019 at 18:40, pleslie99 said:
On 19/07/2019 at 17:22, McGarci said:
I dont know why not.. no cost, involve the town and maybe some guy can develop till first time
moreover if there are a crisis injuries can play/sub with the first team, instead of go with 12/13 players....

There isnt the demand in the local area for youth football. Vale juniors have an under 19s and under 21s but other than that the nearest at that age Is clydebank. Both these are seen as pathways to their 1st team at junior level so doubt they would just roll over and cherry pick the best of their boys. Plus the standard is a million miles away from league 1 level so would be a pointless task. A better option would be to get an affiliation with either st Pat's or Dumbarton Accies and take their best players in a crisis, even that would be a disaster.

I said mainly for a way of "making club" with youth people, although they havent level for the first team (althogh who knows... we can see crawford)

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1 hour ago, lionel wickson said:
2 hours ago, Sons FC said:
The OS are looking at players who have played for both Sons and Motherwell and as well as the ones they mention, I can think of Jumbo Muir and Brian Heron. I am sure there are others.

Colin McNair, Colin McAdam, Joe Carson, John Donnelly and Alan McKay too. Maybe Raymond Blair?

Gary Smith, Jordan Halsman, Ross McKinnon and Ross Forbes.

Although I'm not sure if any of the first three made a first team appearance.

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2 hours ago, Sons FC said:

The OS are looking at players who have played for both Sons and Motherwell and as well as the ones they mention, I can think of Jumbo Muir and Brian Heron. I am sure there are others.

Iain Russell.

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This is the list on the Sons archive. If there's anyone missing let me know and I'll rectify it. I've only picked out ten players for this because I can only schedule up to ten tweets. That and it's not always easy to source pictures of some players. For instance, Lawrie Williams would've been one of them but I couldn't find a pic of him in Motherwell colours.Screenshot_20190722-171714_Samsung%20Internet.jpeg

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I think Lawrie only played a handful of games for Motherwell.

Here he is in all his DFC glory, Lawrence Whiteside Williams. One of my heroes.

What a goalkeeper 😍

 

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3 hours ago, McGarci said:

here you can watch a sumary 

 

 

I was looking at this thinking that home strip really is a munter.

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I was looking at the goalie and thinking what a shite keeper he is.3 of the goals easily saveable albeit his defence gave him no help.

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3 hours ago, McGarci said:

here you can watch a sumary 

 

 

Right. Now I've finally got a wee bit of time, lets take a look at Saturday...

First up some positives. I like Ryan Tierney. He's skilful, pretty decent at bringing others into play and looks like the kind of guy who will get 8-12 goals this season given a wee bit of service. I was pretty concerned after his fairly poor debut against Dundee United - but since then fair play to him, he's kicked on and performed pretty well. I can see him being a target for our support though - especially if we don't get someone to play alongside him because he's wee, pretty slow and won't win much in the air. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

I've also really taken to PJ Crossan. The guy has plenty of ability, is tenacious and aggressive and looks capable of creating moments of magic. He needs a fair bit of coaching to improve his decision making and final product, but there's a player there and I'm pleased we have him. The goal was actually really nicely worked, and it's no surprise at all that Tierney and Crossan were the two involved in the final stages.

Ok...The rest.

First up we cannot play 4-3-3 with the players we have imo. McKee/Hutton and Carsy are all trying to play in each other's position, and I lost count of the number of times you could've thrown a king size duvet over the trio. Our full-back options aren't great for that either. I've been impressed by Quitongo and Crawford (albeit he had a nightmare at Cappielow), but they're rookies playing alongside two centre-backs who look miles out of their depth (more on them later...). Stick a couple of wingers in front of them in a 4-4-2 and give them a bit of protection. Both look decent going forward, but every time they get the ball they've got nobody in front of them - and it means neither can really cross the halfway line at all. That's a shame because Crawford especially if a strong, quick guy when he's at full tilt. We've got options there too. McKee could play in the Forbes role, McCluskey is the sort of guy you'd want in front of you as a full-back, and the as-yet-unseen Matty Shiels seems, on paper, like the kind of player who'd be well suited to that sort of role.

The 4-3-3 on Saturday became a 4-0-3-0-3 far too often. There were enormous gaps between each bank of players and, to be totally honest, I'm not really sure how many of them understood where they were supposed to be. It was so narrow and disjointed.

It's pretty clear that our main issues lie at centre-half though. McGeever and Neill have so far looked like the worst pairing in there I think I've ever seen in a Sons strip. McGeever is slow, clumsy, struggles to judge a high ball and seems to be strolled round with ease by strikers. He was a smashing big player at Queen's Park a few years ago, but God knows what's happened. Alongside him big handsome Morgyn has looked miles out of his depth in every game bar the Annan match. He makes really daft mistakes, looks incredibly uncomfortable with the ball at his feet and struggled to even be dominant in the air on Saturday. 

What can we do about it? Well I hate to say it, but if he's going to play McKee, Carsy and Hutton every week then I think we're best to have Carsy in at centre-half. McMillan looked good against Annan, and is very vocal, but he struggled at the weekend and seems to struggle with his fitness. Could he work with Carsy? I'm not sure, but it might be worth a shot. Failing that stick one of the other two in and lets see how that goes.

Between the sticks Brennan has shown the sort of form Brechin fans warned us about. He was good last season; his handling was solid and he made a couple of excellent stops in his two appearances. However on Saturday and last week he was all over the shop. Especially dealing with crosses. I'd be inclined to give Pettigrew a shot - although I fear that goalkeeping may be an issue again this season unfortunately.

Another massive concern is Mati Zata. I wasn't convinced with his trial performances, but since signing he's gone downhill drastically. I've never seen a player look like he wants to get involved less. He's still very young (it's easy to forget he only turned 19 this year) but most of the other uninspiring guys we've signed at least want to get on the ball. Against Annan he looked lost in midfield (not his fault to be fair) but spent a lot of the game finding space where passing to him would be impossible or pointless. That continued against Morton and Queens, and him leaving the ball to go out for a throw-in to the visitors looked awfully like an attempt to avoid touching it.

I don't know if it's a confidence thing or what, but it's a worry.

I've not looked at the odds or anything, but I'd imagine we'll be favourites with the bookies to go down and - in discussing my season preview with another guy at work today - I'm struggling to tip anyone else for tenth. In saying that I tipped us for second last year, so I know very little about football!

In an ideal world we'll sign a Stuart Findlay-esque loanee defender and a Jon McShane-esque loanee striker before the real season starts. At the moment though I think I'd be tempted to go for something like this...Taking into account everything I've droned on about above.

Jordan Pettigrew

Lewis Crawford Jordan McMillan Stuart Carswell Rico Quitongo

Stefan McCluskey Joe McKee Kyle Hutton Matthew Shiels

PJ Crossan Ryan Tierney

Granted I've never seen Shiels play. Granted I've seen Pettigrew play for about 120 minutes and granted Crossan and Tierney aren't exactly a giant strikeforce...But it's got to be better than Saturday...Doesn't it?

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Tl;dr version: We aren't very good and I'm quite worried about a few things.

 

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40 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:

McGeever and Neill have so far looked like the worst pairing in there I think I've ever seen in a Sons strip. 

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Tl;dr version: We aren't very good and I'm quite worried about a few things.

 

^^never witnessed Pat Cairney and Gary Dickie. ^^

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I was camping at the weekend so was listening on the radio to the goals going in and I'd wondered what comical way we'd managed it this time. It's nice to look at the highlights and find that Brennan decided to play with his arms inside his jumper like some weird kid at school.

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2 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said:

Right. Now I've finally got a wee bit of time, lets take a look at Saturday...

First up some positives. I like Ryan Tierney. He's skilful, pretty decent at bringing others into play and looks like the kind of guy who will get 8-12 goals this season given a wee bit of service. I was pretty concerned after his fairly poor debut against Dundee United - but since then fair play to him, he's kicked on and performed pretty well. I can see him being a target for our support though - especially if we don't get someone to play alongside him because he's wee, pretty slow and won't win much in the air. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

I've also really taken to PJ Crossan. The guy has plenty of ability, is tenacious and aggressive and looks capable of creating moments of magic. He needs a fair bit of coaching to improve his decision making and final product, but there's a player there and I'm pleased we have him. The goal was actually really nicely worked, and it's no surprise at all that Tierney and Crossan were the two involved in the final stages.

Ok...The rest.

First up we cannot play 4-3-3 with the players we have imo. McKee/Hutton and Carsy are all trying to play in each other's position, and I lost count of the number of times you could've thrown a king size duvet over the trio. Our full-back options aren't great for that either. I've been impressed by Quitongo and Crawford (albeit he had a nightmare at Cappielow), but they're rookies playing alongside two centre-backs who look miles out of their depth (more on them later...). Stick a couple of wingers in front of them in a 4-4-2 and give them a bit of protection. Both look decent going forward, but every time they get the ball they've got nobody in front of them - and it means neither can really cross the halfway line at all. That's a shame because Crawford especially if a strong, quick guy when he's at full tilt. We've got options there too. McKee could play in the Forbes role, McCluskey is the sort of guy you'd want in front of you as a full-back, and the as-yet-unseen Matty Shiels seems, on paper, like the kind of player who'd be well suited to that sort of role.

The 4-3-3 on Saturday became a 4-0-3-0-3 far too often. There were enormous gaps between each bank of players and, to be totally honest, I'm not really sure how many of them understood where they were supposed to be. It was so narrow and disjointed.

It's pretty clear that our main issues lie at centre-half though. McGeever and Neill have so far looked like the worst pairing in there I think I've ever seen in a Sons strip. McGeever is slow, clumsy, struggles to judge a high ball and seems to be strolled round with ease by strikers. He was a smashing big player at Queen's Park a few years ago, but God knows what's happened. Alongside him big handsome Morgyn has looked miles out of his depth in every game bar the Annan match. He makes really daft mistakes, looks incredibly uncomfortable with the ball at his feet and struggled to even be dominant in the air on Saturday. 

What can we do about it? Well I hate to say it, but if he's going to play McKee, Carsy and Hutton every week then I think we're best to have Carsy in at centre-half. McMillan looked good against Annan, and is very vocal, but he struggled at the weekend and seems to struggle with his fitness. Could he work with Carsy? I'm not sure, but it might be worth a shot. Failing that stick one of the other two in and lets see how that goes.

Between the sticks Brennan has shown the sort of form Brechin fans warned us about. He was good last season; his handling was solid and he made a couple of excellent stops in his two appearances. However on Saturday and last week he was all over the shop. Especially dealing with crosses. I'd be inclined to give Pettigrew a shot - although I fear that goalkeeping may be an issue again this season unfortunately.

Another massive concern is Mati Zata. I wasn't convinced with his trial performances, but since signing he's gone downhill drastically. I've never seen a player look like he wants to get involved less. He's still very young (it's easy to forget he only turned 19 this year) but most of the other uninspiring guys we've signed at least want to get on the ball. Against Annan he looked lost in midfield (not his fault to be fair) but spent a lot of the game finding space where passing to him would be impossible or pointless. That continued against Morton and Queens, and him leaving the ball to go out for a throw-in to the visitors looked awfully like an attempt to avoid touching it.

I don't know if it's a confidence thing or what, but it's a worry.

I've not looked at the odds or anything, but I'd imagine we'll be favourites with the bookies to go down and - in discussing my season preview with another guy at work today - I'm struggling to tip anyone else for tenth. In saying that I tipped us for second last year, so I know very little about football!

In an ideal world we'll sign a Stuart Findlay-esque loanee defender and a Jon McShane-esque loanee striker before the real season starts. At the moment though I think I'd be tempted to go for something like this...Taking into account everything I've droned on about above.

Jordan Pettigrew

Lewis Crawford Jordan McMillan Stuart Carswell Rico Quitongo

Stefan McCluskey Joe McKee Kyle Hutton Matthew Shiels

PJ Crossan Ryan Tierney

Granted I've never seen Shiels play. Granted I've seen Pettigrew play for about 120 minutes and granted Crossan and Tierney aren't exactly a giant strikeforce...But it's got to be better than Saturday...Doesn't it?

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Tl;dr version: We aren't very good and I'm quite worried about a few things.

 

Playing Hutton ANYWHERE or in ANY formation is like running your PC without Norton or McAfee - he is the Scottish football's equivalent of The Blue Circle Of Death.

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Playing Hutton ANYWHERE or in ANY formation is like running your PC without Norton or McAfee - he is the Scottish football's equivalent of The Blue Circle Of Death.


Could not agree more.

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2 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

Playing Hutton ANYWHERE or in ANY formation is like running your PC without Norton or McAfee - he is the Scottish football's equivalent of The Blue Circle Of Death.

Let's not start this one again. We have far bigger problems than Hutton playing in midfield where he actually had not a bad game on Saturday.

Having seen us twice now... I think in terms of players, if the Central Defence and the Goalkeeper can get their act together then we will do not too badly this season. I'm not sure what the best formation will prove to be yet but I think that the midfield and striker options are far from disastrous and the 2 fullbacks will do just fine aswell. I'm hoping that Layne will provide a useful option of height upfront and will give us that option if needed. There are definitely some glimmers of hope from some of our players in among these horrible results and performances IMO.

We actually played some very nice football on the build up to our goal on Saturday which I hope to see some more of. 

With regards to the horrific performances by our Central Defenders and Goalkeeper, I'm struggling to fully blame Duffy for signing these guys as no player should be putting in performances that bad! I'm hoping they are a little rusty and within a couple of games they will get themselves up to match sharpness. (Please Please Please!)

With potentially another three loan players to come in, I would be hoping for a Winger, Striker and possibly a Centre Back. We do have quite a few players capable of covering but the competition would be nice to have.

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Let's not start this one again. We have far bigger problems than Hutton playing in midfield where he actually had not a bad game on Saturday.
Having seen us twice now... I think in terms of players, if the Central Defence and the Goalkeeper can get their act together then we will do not too badly this season. I'm not sure what the best formation will prove to be yet but I think that the midfield and striker options are far from disastrous and the 2 fullbacks will do just fine aswell. I'm hoping that Layne will provide a useful option of height upfront and will give us that option if needed. There are definitely some glimmers of hope from some of our players in among these horrible results and performances IMO.
We actually played some very nice football on the build up to our goal on Saturday which I hope to see some more of. 
With regards to the horrific performances by our Central Defenders and Goalkeeper, I'm struggling to fully blame Duffy for signing these guys as no player should be putting in performances that bad! I'm hoping they are a little rusty and within a couple of games they will get themselves up to match sharpness. (Please Please Please!)
With potentially another three loan players to come in, I would be hoping for a Winger, Striker and possibly a Centre Back. We do have quite a few players capable of covering but the competition would be nice to have.
Jim Duffy started it all again - he re-signed him which I found frankly incredible. And I'm sorry, I can't agree with your assessment on Saturdays performance.

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Jim Duffy started it all again - he re-signed him which I found frankly incredible. And I'm sorry, I can't agree with your assessment on Saturdays performance.

I'm not aware that I gave an assessment on Saturdays performance...

All I said was the build up to the goal was a nice bit of play. Which it was.

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