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Even selling 10 extra strips at £42 a pop is a decent chunk of money.

Do the club only want volunteers for specific things they can’t be arsed doing themselves? Just feels like a lot of fans are going above and beyond which while admirable should not need to happen.




Why don't we instead question the logic of a club on a very limited budget presumably paying a decent whack to a very experienced Manager, which presumably (again) leaves that very limited budget minus that decent whack to build a team, with the evidence clear for all to see.  Is it just me or am I missing something here ?


It’s not just about the kits but things like that add up. A kit that the majority of fans dislike = less fans buying the kit = less income from kits. Regardless how little or large that sum is it is money that won’t be made.

If the owners & the board aren’t putting any money in to the club surely they should be working on ways to generate cash and maximise profits from things like merchandise. As has been said, there isn’t a large amount of interest in merchandise but that doesn’t mean the club should be writing it off. If they are indeed doing things like that then a bit of transparency would be nice.

Look at snudge for example - potentially going to buy the new kit and a season ticket. Not a fan of the new kit... blocked on twitter...now he’s probably not.

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A little part of me is holding out hope that we have been keeping a chunk of the budget back incase in the very unlikely event we get the chance to loan a player or hopefully players of a decent standard. Dom Thomas kind of level... i know its a long shot but I’m trying to pick any little positive from the last few weeks as possible.

Yes ! Even I am trying to pick out the positives

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A vote would be a no brainer for strips and we have done it previously around 08-09 09-10 10-11 time, the club used Twitter votes to choose strips!! Can’t remember if it was just home, away or both.

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See if you don't like the home top, buy the away one.

Club needs the money and our support.

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See if you don't like the home top, buy the away one.

Club needs the money and our support.
I'm all for helping the club but they really aren't helping themselves just now.

You can't just say "We know we are selling overpriced crap but please buy it anyway because we are skint! Thank You!"

It would not have been difficult to ask fans to vote on a handful of kit designs, not that they should need to as it is well known that the vast majority of fans want a simple white kit with a gold and black band.

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See if you don't like the home top, buy the away one.

Club needs the money and our support.
I mean that would be relevant if the away top was any better. It's just last season's away top in white and it looks just as awful as the home top.

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5 hours ago, Jordo1872 said:

Chris Kane style loanee.

We'll pay you to take Kane if you want? I'll even drive him down to you.

Another two strikers available too, but I don't think we've got the budget to pay you for those two aswell.

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9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

 

10 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

We'll pay you to take Kane if you want? I'll even drive him down to you.

Another two strikers available too, but I don't think we've got the budget to pay you for those two aswell.

Don't tease now. 

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I'm all for helping the club but they really aren't helping themselves just now.

You can't just say "We know we are selling overpriced crap but please buy it anyway because we are skint! Thank You!"

It would not have been difficult to ask fans to vote on a handful of kit designs, not that they should need to as it is well known that the vast majority of fans want a simple white kit with a gold and black band.


Yes but as stated on here multiple times the club can't afford a unique design so it had to be an off the shelf strip. Anyway the strip is the least of our worries

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I'm all for helping the club but they really aren't helping themselves just now.

You can't just say "We know we are selling overpriced crap but please buy it anyway because we are skint! Thank You!"

It would not have been difficult to ask fans to vote on a handful of kit designs, not that they should need to as it is well known that the vast majority of fans want a simple white kit with a gold and black band.



I think it's accepted that if you want a local team, high street or newsagent to be there you need to support it. There's often a premium to pay.

If you go to a coffee morning or a fund raiser, you don't quality check the raffle prizes or cakes, or at least I don't. I'm there to support the event/group, even if it means paying for a bag of empire biscuits made by a 6 year old.

Feel free to volunteer to help the club and trust out. If you don't know who to ask, message me and I'll give you some names.

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8 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

We'll pay you to take Kane if you want? I'll even drive him down to you.

Another two strikers available too, but I don't think we've got the budget to pay you for those two aswell.

As previously stated, Duffy was in Perth yesterday 😉

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1 hour ago, Boghead ranter said:

As previously stated, Duffy was in Perth yesterday 😉

Aye, but he was head to toe in neon lycra in Scone.

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4 hours ago, sonsanorak said:


 

 


I think it's accepted that if you want a local team, high street or newsagent to be there you need to support it. There's often a premium to pay.

If you go to a coffee morning or a fund raiser, you don't quality check the raffle prizes or cakes, or at least I don't. I'm there to support the event/group, even if it means paying for a bag of empire biscuits made by a 6 year old.

Feel free to volunteer to help the club and trust out. If you don't know who to ask, message me and I'll give you some names.

 

I'd second that.

I'd go further than seconding it. We need more fans to sell halftime draw tickets. Having 1 person in the ground and 1 on the carpark entrance just isnt enough. We need an extra body or two who can commit to selling at every - or almost every - home game. Covering the away end isnt a big deal since there won't be an away gate for some games. Covering hospitality, the bar area and occasionally helping out in the home concourse is the priority.

We put out requests for volunteers on several occasions last season. There was some interest from folk who could help now and again but nobody who would commit to the majority of matches. What we need is volunteers who can commit to coming down to the ground a bit earlier (and we're not talking really early here - 1:50 is time enough) and who can keep volunteering for most home games. 

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1 hour ago, BallochSonsFan said:

I'd second that.

I'd go further than seconding it. We need more fans to sell halftime draw tickets. Having 1 person in the ground and 1 on the carpark entrance just isnt enough. We need an extra body or two who can commit to selling at every - or almost every - home game. Covering the away end isnt a big deal since there won't be an away gate for some games. Covering hospitality, the bar area and occasionally helping out in the home concourse is the priority.

We put out requests for volunteers on several occasions last season. There was some interest from folk who could help now and again but nobody who would commit to the majority of matches. What we need is volunteers who can commit to coming down to the ground a bit earlier (and we're not talking really early here - 1:50 is time enough) and who can keep volunteering for most home games. 

Maybe this is really highlighting the central issue.  Dumbarton FC no longer looks and feels like a professional football club, and this constant appeal to people who perhaps just want to pay their money and watch the game becomes like background noise.  Like every other club in the league we have owners and we have a Board Of Directors - are they all operating on this volunteer basis ?  Somehow I doubt it.  So what is the problem and what is the solution ?

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20 hours ago, sonsism said:

Regardless if it was one board member or all of the board members the decision to choose those specific kits was incredibly poor. It was no secret we were going to be going with stock designs - why not let the fans have some input if the kit isn’t going to be as creative as usual.

There might not be loads of people rushing to buy kits but I noticed about 3 fans yesterday wearing the new kit. Compare that to previous kit launches at the stadium and it’s night and day. Even selling 10 extra strips at £42 a pop is a decent chunk of money.

Do the club only want volunteers for specific things they can’t be arsed doing themselves? Just feels like a lot of fans are going above and beyond which while admirable should not need to be happening.

It’s all good and well listing the board names on the website but the fact most people don’t know who they are says it all. If they aren’t even putting money in then they should be the ones working on improving the stadium, organising events, encouraging new fans in and looking for funding.

The fans don’t deserve a say on the kits - but they should be whoring themselves out to raise funds for the club.

Before I say anything here - I agree on the kits. They are poor choices and I don't doubt that a fans vote will have given very different results. 

That said, the board really are up against it on a number of fronts. I don't like to repeat the Brabco stuff ad nauseum as I understand fans get sick of it, but it really is true that they take up a lot of time for the board and certain members of the Trust. When so much of your time is taken up by one issue (or more accurately, a clusterfuck of issues caused by one group), some of the "day to day" stuff ends up falling down the pecking order. I'm not saying this is right, I believe the club needs certain restructuring to ensure everything runs as it should, but it's just the sad fact of the last season that time and resource has been the issue. I can guarantee you that things are already being put in place in this regard.

Can I ask though, why should fans not be going above and beyond for the club? The board aren't just sitting there doing the bare minimum to make us survive, at least two of them I know are putting in hours of work in the evenings and weekends after doing their day jobs. I really don't think the board are asking too much when they ask the fans to support certain initiatives wherever they can, whether that's buying a season ticket or supporting a fundraiser. Without wanting to sound like an "Against Modern Football" fud, this is OUR club - it'll only be as good as we make it. It needs to be a group effort from all of us and I think John Steele is trying hard to get that message across. If we all put a wee bit of time and money in where we can then nobody gets burdened with too much work and the club don't constantly need to have the begging bowl out.

I'm not sure I understand the "nobody knows who the board are" stance either. John Steele is very visible to the fan base (and will be again on Thursday). Colin Hosie has been on the board and around the club for as long as I can remember attending games, his family probably being the most well ken't name around the club. Alan Findlay has been the Trust rep for about 5-7 years now and Neil MacKay has been the club doctor for donkeys before coming a director in 2018. I can't be certain here but I'm willing to bet that some of them will have put money in, and they all support the fundraisers when they come about too (that I am certain of). Fact is none of them are millionaires with cash to throw around, they are fans like me and you who genuinely want to see us become self-sustainable and thrive from being so. Sadly I think too many Sons fans like the idea of that rather than the reality, as the reality requires a lot of effort.

I'll be very clear here in that I agree this summer has been a bit of a shitshow, our PR has been really poor and at times I feel like banging my head off the wall, but the only way things get better is if we stick by the club and offer assistance to make things run easier. I don't think anyone at the club has deliberately done any of this to piss us off, I think they've been slightly naive and a bit under the cosh, for want of a better phrase. For me though, as long as lessons are learned and we listen to the complaints coming forward then we can draw a line under it and move forward.

If folk don't know the board, or feel the place is too "cliquey" or have any concerns about how the club is being run, Thursday is an opportunity for you to ask your question. If you can't make it down but have a question then send it on to me (or Simon @TheFarPost) and we'll do our best to get an answer to it.

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On 19/07/2019 at 17:40, pleslie99 said:
On 19/07/2019 at 16:22, McGarci said:
I dont know why not.. no cost, involve the town and maybe some guy can develop till first time
moreover if there are a crisis injuries can play/sub with the first team, instead of go with 12/13 players....

There isnt the demand in the local area for youth football. Vale juniors have an under 19s and under 21s but other than that the nearest at that age Is clydebank. Both these are seen as pathways to their 1st team at junior level so doubt they would just roll over and cherry pick the best of their boys. Plus the standard is a million miles away from league 1 level so would be a pointless task. A better option would be to get an affiliation with either st Pat's or Dumbarton Accies and take their best players in a crisis, even that would be a disaster.

"There isnt the demand in the local area for youth football". - I'm not sure what that means so I'm going to strongly disagree.

There are 3 extremely well run Community Clubs in DFCs normal catchment area. All going through the SYFAs Quality Mark Process at various stages. Dumbarton United, Dumbarton Riverside and Ardencaple. between those 3 they probably have 300-400 boys AND GIRLS playing at all age groups and guessing over 100 parent / volunteers doing all sorts of coaching and Admin, thats not counting a myriad of other clubs in the area that dont quite have teams at all age groups. 

The Vale Juniors have also added a U15s team this year by essentially taking over the DU team that play in Tier 1 Paisley League. (no demand for youth football but there were 2 full 2005 squads at DU alone). They need that pathway of players.

As you mentioned, we also have 2 of the best run and most successful Amateur teams in Scotland in the area. There is a massive demand in this area for football of all levels. 

They are also self sustaining already financially. The Vale have the U21, U19s and U15s none of those will impact on any first team budget at the Vale.

All of these Clubs are to various degrees all much more engaged in there local community than DFC. Thats a fact. 

The quality is there as well. Anyone involved in Youth Football knows boys of all ages signed Pro Youth with Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Motherwell, St Mirren, Partick etc. from the area.

as an example many of the team that were the Finalists in Scottish this year at U14s were from Dumbarton / Helensburgh / Clydebank and are being picked up by Pro Youth.

 

We all appreciate the club dont have the funds to support a Youth set up and they dont have the volunteers to set one up from scratch. But they could have been engaging the local clubs that are already set up and successful doing that to put a pathway to Senior football in the area in place.

Even if it never produces a player for the first team, it brings the club closer to the community and opens up a whole new group of young fans (with or without drums)  to come along and feel connected. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Dylangt7 said:

We all appreciate the club dont have the funds to support a Youth set up and they dont have the volunteers to set one up from scratch. But they could have been engaging the local clubs that are already set up and successful doing that to put a pathway to Senior football in the area in place.

Even if it never produces a player for the first team, it brings the club closer to the community and opens up a whole new group of young fans (with or without drums)  to come along and feel connected. 

Agree wholeheartedly with this. DFC and DUFC already have a link - C&G sponsor both. If we can open discussions about a more formal link between the clubs it would be great. We had Kyle Hutton and Carswell down handing out awards over the summer, if we can keep doing things like that, maybe even get our manager to go down and speak to these boys at training, and offer the 15/16/17 year olds a pathway to senior football it would do a lot of good, off the park anyway.

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The OS are looking at players who have played for both Sons and Motherwell and as well as the ones they mention, I can think of Jumbo Muir and Brian Heron. I am sure there are others.

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1 hour ago, Turnberry Fields Forever said:

Maybe this is really highlighting the central issue.  Dumbarton FC no longer looks and feels like a professional football club, and this constant appeal to people who perhaps just want to pay their money and watch the game becomes like background noise.  Like every other club in the league we have owners and we have a Board Of Directors - are they all operating on this volunteer basis ?  Somehow I doubt it.  So what is the problem and what is the solution ?

Most clubs rely on volunteers to sell half time draw tickets. Glasgow Clan with a crowd of 3000 still rely on volunteers. Teams outside of the top flight rely on volunteers. That's just the reality of Scottish football. 

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