Frank conner Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Yes I'm not quite sure why Clyde want us relegated, they'll have a far tougher task finishing above Annan or Edinburgh City, two clubs who will be on the up with plenty backing, opposed to ours which is limping out of existence. But then again its probably the same fans who bullied their board into resigning a rapist, costing them a shitload of money and their home stadium so perhaps I'm expecting too much from them. Get doon! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, sarti pooh said: Just out of curiosity how did the fans treat the manager and players at full time? Happy clapping from the usual suspects? Not just the usual suspects. Plenty of people in the crowd had a quick boo and then applauded the players. I expected an angry reaction at the end of today's game. We all knew that relegation was coming. Knowing doesnt make it any more acceptable. I was expecting fans to confront Farrell at the front of the stand and to direct their ire towards the directors. We didnt get that. We got a couple of boos, a few claps and an overwhelming feeling of apathy. Almost felt like folk simply didnt care today. Thats a massive concern. Farrell is a woeful manager, but I'm not expecting him to be sacked. We don't have the money to sack him and his coaches. We don't have the money to pay compensation to recruit a new manager. We don't have the money to pay off anybody on a 2 year deal that a new manager doesnt fancy. We're not administration level skint, but we just don't have the money to start sacking Farrell and recruiting anybody else. More than that, we don't have the talent in the board room to recruit somebody. We don't have the contacts. We don't have the business acumen. We don't have the footballing experience beyond Colin. What we have is a club that is devoid of leadership. We have a board that isnt fit for purpose and that isnt engaging with fans. A board that doesnt even begin to understand why it needs to try and deal with the disconnect that exists between the club and the fans right now. A board that is hamstrung to a degree by our owners and their less than honest intentions and actions, but one that can't be allowed that excuse to absolve it of its own failings. Today's game was flat from the kick off. Absolutely no urgency. Nobody willing to take responsibility. No leadership from Buchanan. Who was urging their teammates to do better? Kalvin Orsi tried when he came on, and I feel sorry for the lack of support he got. Edinburgh City are a piss poor team and we barely laid a finger on them. The lack of urgency and lack of anybody willing to take responsibility on the park mirrors our problems off it. Owners who don't have our best interests at heart and a board of directors who aren't running us on a competent basis. We're in far deeper trouble than simply being relegated to League Two. We're a club in complete disarray. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, FifeSons said: “Farrell is the symptom, not the cause”. Which is true, tbf, but doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to go immediately. I was still in favour of buying season tickets, but I think something aggressive and drastic has to happen now. We’ve managed to sleepwalk our way into L2 and it’ll be the Lowland very soon, unless there’s drastic changes. He is. He's the symptom of an utterly woeful club board. Which is why he won't be going anywhere unless he decides to walk. The board won't sack him because they don't have the money to pay compensation, don't have the know how to recruit and don't have the bottle to take action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replays Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Condolences Dumbarton fans. It could so easily have been my own club over the past couple of years and, to be quite honest, I’d imagine it’ll be a struggle for my team to stay up again next year too. Even fairly small things like your raging, staunch, goalie coach would have fairly riled me up too and compounded to the rubbish on the park. I sincerely hope matters on and off-field improve for you soon. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, Boghead ranter said: Yeah, we absolutely SHOULD be voicing our unhappiness, but unfortunately the default position with the Trust (as BSF will no doubt quote me and others to stress again) seems to be support the team, pay your money. Many of our fans will simply follow that lead, as they don't like controversy, standing up to be counted, loud noises etc. I think it comes down to demographics. A lot of Sons fans are older folks who use the football as their social outing for the week and aren't too stressed out by results. which isn't a bad stance to be fair. 41 minutes ago, BullyWeeStonehouse said: I disagree. I think Annan or Edinburgh will be as equally shite as Dumbarton in League One. Agreed. This City team aren't great. Very similar level to Sons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: He is. He's the symptom of an utterly woeful club board. Which is why he won't be going anywhere unless he decides to walk. The board won't sack him because they don't have the money to pay compensation, don't have the know how to recruit and don't have the bottle to take action. Where do we go from here then? I’m not sure I can handle Farrell in charge at the start of next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 He must know himself he’s failed and that he’s completely lost all support from the fans. Surely he has to know that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'mon_the_Sons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, FifeSons said: He must know himself he’s failed and that he’s completely lost all support from the fans. Surely he has to know that. He’s fucking deluded! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, FifeSons said: Where do we go from here then? I’m not sure I can handle Farrell in charge at the start of next season. Boardroom change. Has to happen and we won't see any kind of improvements in the club until we see changes in the boardroom. I'm not suggesting that the current club board has to go completely, but they need help. We need people at boardroom level who can carry out a proper analysis of the club as a business. We need somebody who can bridge the massive divide that exists between the fans and the board. A bit more business talent would be a major help, as would some football business help. Leadership would go a long way right now and its incomprehensible that we're going to be asking fans for season ticket money in the near future when the chairman has spent most of the season failing to appreciate how big the gulf between the fans and the club is. Ultimately we also need ownership change, but right now I'll take some basic improvements in the way in which we're run as a club. We're not making Hosie and Kristoffersen disappear in the short term, although that has to remain a significant aim. In the short term I'd settle for us not being run as an omnishambles of a football club. Edited May 7, 2022 by BallochSonsFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Boghead ranter said: Yeah, we absolutely SHOULD be voicing our unhappiness, but unfortunately the default position with the Trust (as BSF will no doubt quote me and others to stress again) seems to be support the team, pay your money. Many of our fans will simply follow that lead, as they don't like controversy, standing up to be counted, loud noises etc. As a Trust Board member I can assure you that is absolutely NOT the Trust position, default or otherwise. Unfortunately, one of the conditions of holding office in an organisation is that you are constrained by a collective responsibility as to what you can put in the public domain, but believe me the sense of disappointment and frustration we currently feel mirrors that of the posters on here. I will repeat, the Sonstrust is a firm advocate of change at Dumbarton FC but that is currently a huge work in progress. That fight goes on, but please read between the lines here folks..... Today's game was very much a tale of the expected to anyone who has watched Dumbarton this season, but that doesn't make the timid manner of our relegation any more palatable. What's done is done though and it's what happens now that becomes important. Taking my Trust hat off and writing as a lifelong Sons fan I will say this; my continuing purchase of a season ticket will be contingent on seeing what management team and playing squad is in place as we enter next season. My loyalty to DFC is on the record over decades but it is neither guaranteed or elastic, and I will not continue to subsidise mediocrity. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Boghead ranter said: Yeah, we absolutely SHOULD be voicing our unhappiness, but unfortunately the default position with the Trust (as BSF will no doubt quote me and others to stress again) seems to be support the team, pay your money. Many of our fans will simply follow that lead, as they don't like controversy, standing up to be counted, loud noises etc. It's not a case of support the team, pay your money. If people want to withhold season ticket money then wire in. Just understand the consequences. Football clubs are not structured to survive on pay as you go gates. Even if every season ticket holder withheld money up front but continued to attend every home game, there's a knock on impact on the club's ability to continue because it can't budget and plan on whether or not enough fans decide that they fancy turning up on any given Saturday. Want to withhold your season ticket money? Go for it. Unfortunately that's not going to get Farrell out the door or suddenly turn the board into a competent business management team. There are significant challenges at the club and a bigger picture fans need to buy into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, C'mon_the_Sons said: He’s fucking deluded! Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say he’s utterly despised by the fans now. He must go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeSons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Boardroom change. Has to happen and we won't see any kind of improvements in the club until we see changes in the boardroom. I'm not suggesting that the current club board has to go completely, but they need help. We need people at boardroom level who can carry out a proper analysis of the club as a business. We need somebody who can bridge the massive divide that exists between the fans and the board. A bit more business talent would be a major help, as would some football business help. Leadership would go a long way right now and its incomprehensible that we're going to be asking fans for season ticket money in the near future when the chairman has spent most of the season failing to appreciate how big the gulf between the fans and the club is. Ultimately we also need ownership change, but right now I'll take some basic improvements in the way in which we're run as a club. We're not making Hosie and Kristoffersen disappear in the short term, although that has to remain a significant aim. In the short term I'd settle for us not being run as an omnishambles of a football club. That will surely require the board to accept they need help and ask for it. The impression they give is that they just couldn’t give a toss and seem to think things are perfectly fine. What we need is some hope. We currently have absolutely none. Farrell going wouldn’t be a panacea, but it would at least give us some hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertsons Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: I think it comes down to demographics. A lot of Sons fans are older folks who use the football as their social outing for the week and aren't too stressed out by results. which isn't a bad stance to be fair. Agreed. This City team aren't great. Very similar level to Sons. I fall into the older category and believe me the results matter. Right now I’m raging at the state of things on and off the park. I think the difficulty is knowing what can be done to meaningfully tackle the ownership problem, inadequacy of the board and the end result of the two…..a failing team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott666 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 A comment from a Stranraer fan on the supporters group on facebook a year ago when Farrell left reads, Quote The way I see it..... Manager was taking us backwards, talked a great game delivered nothing, good luck being found out at Dumbarton. Nailed it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, FifeSons said: He must know himself he’s failed and that he’s completely lost all support from the fans. Surely he has to know that. Crucially though, he'll also feel he can turn it around next season. You've heard him speak, he doesn't come across as the type who will walk away, he'll back himself and his management team. 3 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Boardroom change. Has to happen and we won't see any kind of improvements in the club until we see changes in the boardroom. I'm not suggesting that the current club board has to go completely, but they need help. We need people at boardroom level who can carry out a proper analysis of the club as a business. We need somebody who can bridge the massive divide that exists between the fans and the board. A bit more business talent would be a major help, as would some football business help. Leadership would go a long way right now and its incomprehensible that we're going to be asking fans for season ticket money in the near future when the chairman has spent most of the season failing to appreciate how big the gulf between the fans and the club is. Ultimately we also need ownership change, but right now I'll take some basic improvements in the way in which we're run as a club. We're not making Hosie and Kristoffersen disappear in the short term, although that has to remain a significant aim. In the short term I'd settle for us not being run as an omnishambles of a football club. What exactly is this new Colin Pie character and his dodgy football agent bringing to the table? They were brought in by the board as they realised they had no football experience, they haven't brought any investment as far as I'm aware, but if we can't make changes on the football side then whats the point in them being there, I'd be as well doing it with my vast Football Manager scouting experience. Stevie Lynch had control of the business side of the club, it's his work before leaving through this season that has us in what has been described as a healthy financial position. Sacking Stevie and his team may not be favourable to the board financially but I imagine losing 100 or so season tickets (I could probably show you 20 people who have already said they won't renew) isn't favourable either. The board need to come out with their appraisal of this season and what the plan is going forward, as soon as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Want to withhold your season ticket money? Go for it. Unfortunately that's not going to get Farrell out the door or suddenly turn the board into a competent business management team. If fans aren't buying STs because they think the manager is shite then that would absolutely result in the manager's departure, at any even halfway serious football club. Withholding ST money is the strongest form of leverage a fan base has against any board, for the very reasons that you have just set out. As soon as a football club board gets your ST money, you are pishing in the wind if you want to put pressure on them. Quote There are significant challenges at the club and a bigger picture fans need to buy into. Except that they don't 'need' to do any such thing: they can vote with their wallet and stay away. That is the fundamental flaw in the halfway house position you consistently adopt. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, FifeSons said: That will surely require the board to accept they need help and ask for it. The impression they give is that they just couldn’t give a toss and seem to think things are perfectly fine. What we need is some hope. We currently have absolutely none. Farrell going wouldn’t be a panacea, but it would at least give us some hope. Vicious circle. The board almost certainly won't sack Farrell. Farrell almost certainly won't quit. Fans threatening to pack season tickets until Farrell goes. What gives first? We're going to reach a point where something has to give, but what? Will the board sack Farrell if every season ticket holder gets in touch with the club and tells them that the only way they'll renew is if Farrell is gone? Maybe that's a start. Maybe it's time for the fans to start taking direct action and make it clear to the board why we're unhappy. It's certainly long overdue time for the board to provide some answers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Crucially though, he'll also feel he can turn it around next season. You've heard him speak, he doesn't come across as the type who will walk away, he'll back himself and his management team. What exactly is this new Colin Pie character and his dodgy football agent bringing to the table? They were brought in by the board as they realised they had no football experience, they haven't brought any investment as far as I'm aware, but if we can't make changes on the football side then whats the point in them being there, I'd be as well doing it with my vast Football Manager scouting experience. Stevie Lynch had control of the business side of the club, it's his work before leaving through this season that has us in what has been described as a healthy financial position. Sacking Stevie and his team may not be favourable to the board financially but I imagine losing 100 or so season tickets (I could probably show you 20 people who have already said they won't renew) isn't favourable either. The board need to come out with their appraisal of this season and what the plan is going forward, as soon as possible. I'd be asking whether or not Colin Pie is even still involved? And if More Room somehow pony up £35k then maybe the board has the money to sack Farrell. Right now I don't think they've got anything like the money to sack Farrell and his assistant and to recruit somebody. They certainly don't look like they have the ability to do so. Edited May 7, 2022 by BallochSonsFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Son from the Rock Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) There will be no improvement, consolidation or hope; there will be no semblance of a professional football club at the Rock until Messrs A Hosie and Kristoffersen are escorted from the premises. They are charlatans and scumbags who don't give a flying f*ck about Dumbarton FC. Stevie Farrell is hopeless but he didn't award himself a 2 year contract, that was the board. They are also culpable and have to consider their position. Who from the board was at the game today? Anybody know? Maybe they were smart enough to stay away whilst we, the perennial mug punters, rolled up in a frenzy of hope over expectation. Edited May 7, 2022 by Third Son from the Rock 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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