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On 26/12/2021 at 12:10, Jan Vojáček said:

Without wanting to wade in here, I got the vaccine because the big marketing campaign at the time was that it would protect you "and those around you." My grandparents are both CEV, so I got it for them. The first dose made me ill, the second dose made me as ill as I've been in my adult life. I could barely leave bed for a week after it.

I'm not fussed in the slightest about catching Covid myself. Since the start of the pandemic 14 people in my age group and below have died for any reason within 28 days of a positive test. Getting in my car and driving is probably a bigger risk to me than Covid. To have a go at someone for getting it to protect others, when that was what we were told was the case, isn't really a good look.

 

Now I'm not a Doctor or an epidemiologist but given the vaccine is by definition a mild form of the virus, isn't it likely that if the vaccine affected you badly you will be one of the few younger people who ARE seriously affected by the virus if you get it?

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4 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Now I'm not a Doctor or an epidemiologist but given the vaccine is by definition a mild form of the virus, isn't it likely that if the vaccine affected you badly you will be one of the few younger people who ARE seriously affected by the virus if you get it?

I asked one of the medically trained members of the family about that, but they thought it was more down to my immune systems response. I very rarely get ill - and when people with stronger immune systems get the vaccine it can cause an overreaction.

My brother was quite ill after his second dose too and he's had Covid. But it had absolutely no impact on him at all. He cut a tree down in the garden whilst isolating.

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13 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:

I asked one of the medically trained members of the family about that, but they thought it was more down to my immune systems response. I very rarely get ill - and when people with stronger immune systems get the vaccine it can cause an overreaction.

My brother was quite ill after his second dose too and he's had Covid. But it had absolutely no impact on him at all. He cut a tree down in the garden whilst isolating.

Fair enough. I'm almost never ill either. I've had 2 days off sick in 30 years working (both in 2007). I got both vaccines and a booster and barely noticed (mild headache for a few hours night of the first one, sore arm on the booster for a night). I also had Covid in August, after being double vaccinated. Felt like I'd a VERY bad cold for 2 - 3 days and certainly wouldn't have been cutting down trees! Coughed for about a week. Lacked energy for maybe 3 weeks and my sense of smell is only now this week starting to return nearly 5 months later (though I never lost my sense of taste). I'm happy to presume it would have been considerably worse if I hadn't recently been double vaccinated. It wasn't the end of my world but it wasn't pleasant either and I'll be lining up to get every vaccine offered. I'm about twice your age though. My kids are probably half your age and they had it without vaccines and barely noticed. Both felt tired for a night and went to bed early. They were fine the next day. It clearly generally affects people more the older they get.

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3 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Fair enough. I'm almost never ill either. I've had 2 days off sick in 30 years working (both in 2007). I got both vaccines and a booster and barely noticed (mild headache for a few hours night of the first one, sore arm on the booster for a night). I also had Covid in August, after being double vaccinated. Felt like I'd a VERY bad cold for 2 - 3 days and certainly wouldn't have been cutting down trees! Coughed for about a week. Lacked energy for maybe 3 weeks and my sense of smell is only now this week starting to return nearly 5 months later (though I never lost my sense of taste). I'm happy to presume it would have been considerably worse if I hadn't recently been double vaccinated. It wasn't the end of my world but it wasn't pleasant either and I'll be lining up to get every vaccine offered. I'm about twice your age though. My kids are probably half your age and they had it without vaccines and barely noticed. Both felt tired for a night and went to bed early. They were fine the next day. It clearly generally affects people more the older they get.

They might've just been saying that to make me feel better about myself to be fair! My cousins had it in March 2020 and it hit them quite hard. They are some of the healthiest folk I know, but they both had Moderna (same as me) and said that made them more ill than Covid. They are in their early 20s and run marathons though, so they should be about as low risk as possible.

I'll probably get my booster at some point next month. I'm going to time it with work calming down a wee bit (we're already one team member down) in case it hits me like a train again.

Glad you've got the sense of smell back and the kids made it through safely. A man after my own heart in terms of the sickness record, the closest I can get to that is only missing two days of school from P1 to S6*

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*Through illness

 

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40 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:

I asked one of the medically trained members of the family about that, but they thought it was more down to my immune systems response. I very rarely get ill - and when people with stronger immune systems get the vaccine it can cause an overreaction.

My brother was quite ill after his second dose too and he's had Covid. But it had absolutely no impact on him at all. He cut a tree down in the garden whilst isolating.

That sounds unnecessarily extreme, unless he was intending to make himself a jigsaw puzzle.

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1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

That sounds unnecessarily extreme, unless he was intending to make himself a jigsaw puzzle.

The tree needed cut down, the weather was decent and he couldn't go to work, so it kept him occupied for a few hours.

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25 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:

They might've just been saying that to make me feel better about myself to be fair! My cousins had it in March 2020 and it hit them quite hard. They are some of the healthiest folk I know, but they both had Moderna (same as me) and said that made them more ill than Covid. They are in their early 20s and run marathons though, so they should be about as low risk as possible.

I'll probably get my booster at some point next month. I'm going to time it with work calming down a wee bit (we're already one team member down) in case it hits me like a train again.

Glad you've got the sense of smell back and the kids made it through safely. A man after my own heart in terms of the sickness record, the closest I can get to that is only missing two days of school from P1 to S6*

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*Through illness

 

My initial two vaccines were Astra Zeneca. Booster was Pfizer. Not had Moderna so maybe it would have made me more ill.

I don't think my sense of smell is properly back yet but I have this week on a couple of occasions caught a whiff of things that I wasn't able to smell before (garlic bread cooking for instance). Hopefully it will eventually return to normal. The kids were the main concern as they both suffer from asthma and initially were shielding in the first lockdown. Thankfully as I say we'd never have known they'd had it if I and then my mother hadn't come down with it after and then they were tested. They were just a little tired and listless for a night. Younger one slightly shivery (he went to get a blanket to sit on the couch at night).

I had the two days off in 2007 (separately several months apart) thereby spoiling my 16 year perfect record. I did also have a couple of days off about 4 years ago with a slipped disc. I wasn't counting that as "illness" though. I physically couldn't get out of bed the first day! Plus I ended up missing 5 days work with isolating after getting Covid. I didn't actually miss the days when I was most ill though. I tested negative initially and assumed it was just a bad cold so struggled my way through work as I was busy. It should be said though that I work in a room on my own and didn't come into contact with anyone else. I wouldn't have gone in to a shared space. When I did eventually test positive it was acknowledged I still had no close contacts other than the kids who were the ones who gave it to me in the first place!

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Moderna gave me an absolute kicking the weekend before Christmas. My first 2 doses were Pfizer. Got Moderna early Sunday morning and by 9pm Sunday night I was in my bed  with flu like symptoms. General aches and pains. Shivering despite being really warm. Nausea. Was  crap until the early hours of Tuesday morning.

I don't believe that the crowd restrictions are justified. 500 fans at Dumbarton is significantly different to 500 fans at  Tynecastle or Easter Road. The 500 was plucked from thin air - Leitch admitted that it wasnt based on science but that they felt they had to draw a line somewhere. Thats bad decision making because it isnt based on evidence. The eventual impact may not have been particularly different given the number of players who have since tested positive, but again we're the only part of the UK with a 10 day isolation period so different decisions could have been made. I've never been a fan of public health messaging that linked boosters to so called freedoms as  the minute that they re-introduced restrictions then the reaction was always likely to be "so what was the point of the vaccination if we're bringing back restrictions?". The point of vaccination is that it gives you a significant level of protection from the worst effects of Covid and despite infection rates increasing, hospitalisation and mortality rates show that vaccination has worked very well. 500 fan limit at games wasn't necessary. It's hit my other sport too - several thousand people could go shopping at Braehead but we've seen games cancelled because only 200 people would have been allowed into the arena to watch hockey. I'm expecting further Celtic Connections cancellations in the next  week. I think that the restrictions we've seen introduced were really badly judged.

But they are what they are and the club were taking names from fans who were interested in attending. I havent registered my interest and part of that is down to my own stubbornness. I bought a season ticket long before the start of the season. Surely if we have a limit of 500 fans at games and we've sold less than 500 season tickets then season ticket holders shouldn't have to register that they want to attend games? I know that the club will want to maximise income and every season ticket holder who doesnt attend is a seat they can fill with a PAYG fan or an away fan. My season ticket doesnt make me any better than anybody else, but why should I have to register to attend a game I've already paid for? They've had my money since last May or there about. I shouldn't have to register my interest to attend a game I've already paid for. And what happens if I've registered my interest but ultimately don't attend? I could have developed symptoms of Covid between registering my interest in attending during the week and tomorrow's kick-off. Thats a seat that the club couldn't sell because I'd have already indicated my intention to use one of the 500 spaces.

The whole thing has been frustrating. There was no justification in restricting football. There was absolutely no basis for the random 500 fan limit at football game. There was no need for the club to introduce additional steps for season ticket holders to attend a game we've already paid for. The whole thing has just scunnered me a little bit more.

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1 hour ago, aftershocker said:

My understanding about the 500 limit is that it's to minimise interactions at the turnstiles, toilets etc

Perhaps a better solution would have been to allow a limit per turnstile?

Grounds should be running at a minimum 40% capacity, if we even need restrictions at outdoor events at all.. 

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3 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Yet these similar type of interactions in shopping centres and supermarkets are somehow considered different by the fuds in charge.

Generally people visiting shops dont all turn up at the same time, all leave at the same time and all head for toilets / pies halfway through though.

There's plenty of scope to criticise the arbitrary 500 attendances at football but comparisons with shopping are not particularly valid.

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Seen as we are summarising COVID routines, 

Much like @Jan Vojáček I’m not at all concerned about me ever catching COVID. I’m in the same boat in terms of the age group stats etc and apart from being lawfully held in when we first went to lockdown. I’ve went about my day to day as normal. 
 

I have both vaccines, only because I was going to a country that required both vaccines to enter or go out and about when there. I also have a booster booked because I’m attending the Qatar WC and Qatar state won’t let supporters attend games who are not fully vaccinated and have a up to date Vaccine Passport. 
 

Did I take the vaccines to protect me? No probably not, chances are I’d be completely fine without, Did I take it to protect other people? Again probably not because I seen large number of my more elderly family for long spells before I was offered a vaccine due to my age group. They protect themselves by getting their own vaccines should they wish to get one. 
 

quite simply, I got the vaccine because of things that I had planned in my life which were threatened by decision should I have not took one. No other reason apart from a form of missing out. 
 

As for Lateral Flows. They aren’t entirely accurate, 50% of people probably don’t do them properly on themselves even when they do do them, as let’s be honest, they ain’t that pleasant! 
 

I do one on a Sunday night if I’ve been out at the weekend, dinner drinks, socialising in large numbers etc, that’s only because I have the hope it’s positive for some time off work come the Monday 😆😆 

Do I do for nipping out the house to the shops for the day or going to the football? Nah absolutely not. Especially when we all wear masks etc and if ur that scared of getting it from other people you should have took your vaccine you were offered to protect you if that’s your fear. 
 

rant over 

mon eh sons, Farrell out, fk the Newcastle mob, goalie coach for parliament 

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3 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Generally people visiting shops dont all turn up at the same time, all leave at the same time and all head for toilets / pies halfway through though.

There's plenty of scope to criticise the arbitrary 500 attendances at football but comparisons with shopping are not particularly valid.

Bollocks. They absolutely are valid. 

I had to go into our local Asda on Christmas eve as I was working on Boxing day and the queues and crowds in there were far bigger than anything I’ve seen at a lower league football ground. The pictures and videos from Braehead Shopping Centre on boxing day showed queues in Primark and at food kiosks that are arguably more than you’d get at single turnstyle at Ibrox or Parkhead if it was running at say 50% capacity. A blanket number of 500 is utterly ludicrous when we have stadiums in this country that can house 50k plus fans with enough space, entrance points, exit points and catering facilities that would ensure a smaller queue than Primark. I’d feel safer sitting in a completely rammed, 100% full Dumbarton stadium than I did in a sweaty, warm Asda on Christmas Eve.

If you don’t think that comparison is valid you clearly haven’t visited a shopping centre or supermarket over the festive period.

The perfect example of how utterly ludicrous these rules are and how the shopping comparison is relevant - The hockey team who operate from the shopping centre are allowed a tiny percentage of the capacity into the arena whilst half of Glasgow brush shoulders in the shopping centre.

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200 fans at the Braehead Arena. Clan have understandably postponed the planned home games until further notice.

You'll have more than 200 people in Primark at Braehead. Or in the McDonalds seating area at the food court. But you could have a maximum of 200 fans in a 3500 capacity arena.

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