The Moonster Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 John Steele has said a few words to the paper. "Club is in good hands". Surely a chance for John to set things straight, but again Sons fans are misled and expected to figure it out for themselves. Hopefully someone who has left recently will put the cards on the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The Moonster said: John Steele has said a few words to the paper. "Club is in good hands". Surely a chance for John to set things straight, but again Sons fans are misled and expected to figure it out for themselves. Hopefully someone who has left recently will put the cards on the table. Clearly John Steele thinks we are idiots. I mean his entire tenure has involved him regularly spouting drivel but that takes the biscuit. Edited November 4, 2021 by Bring Back Paddy Flannery 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbarton Rock Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Clearly John Steele thinks we are idiots. I mean his entire tenure has involved him regularly spouting drivel but that takes the biscuit. Aye, the man that forced me out the door with his pal(recently retired) just waiting in the wings ready to take over straight away. Top bloke [emoji108] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cremola foam Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 02/11/2021 at 23:56, the snudge said: Has one of these holding companies borrowed money with security of the land in which the club sits? https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13336192/charges/DE6dOKB9jlqVUaR5VugB-00UXn8 Looks like it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 8 hours ago, cremola foam said: Looks like it. So what happens if they don't make repayments? Does the land get seized and we get locked out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Things off the pitch aren’t looking great unfortunately, but on the pitch I think we’re looking like a bit of a shambles tbh. Given our current form, inability to win, inability to keep a clean sheet and inability to take our chances I’m looking at our upcoming league fixtures and thinking we’ll be lucky to find a win before 2022. Far too many of our players are churning in below par performances week after week - infact in recent weeks you could argue that bar the young lad Schiavone, absolutely no one deserves pass marks. The manager really, really needs to get a grip of this, we’re heading in only one direction and it certainly isn’t the direction we expected at the start of the season. The concern for me right now is that Faz isn’t coming close to getting the best out of players that we know are good at this level, infact I’d argue he’s doing the opposite. McKee has been absolutely terrible, Buchanan and McGeever are bombscares, Geggan just runs around lunging into daft tackles and Ross MacLean is more interested in banter with supporters and arguing with referees. He made a couple of really bizarre subs for me yesterday, hooking arguably his two best players and the only two strikers we have when we were chasing a goal, and leaving on a plethora of guys who we were playing rubbish. Something about just reeked of desperation, and whilst the two subs combined to score, did taking off Orsi and Schiavone really improve our chances? I’m not convinced it did. If they were carrying an injury then fair enough. Discipline seems to be a big problem for us and I’m getting bored of seeing our players getting booked for daft reactions and giving away needless penalties. I saw our goalkeeper coach getting booked yesterday and for some reason I get the impression our coaching staff seem to revel in arguing with referees and linesmen. This isn’t Sunday league, show some professionalism and set an example. As for Paddy Boyle having a wee jibe on Twitter - when we win a game and you personally turn in anything above a honking 5/10 then you can have your wee jibes ya fanny. If that was us actively trying to “keep it on the deck” yesterday then my eyes must have been deceiving me as I watched us relentlessly scoop balls into the air and watch guys like him completely misjudge headers that nearly lead to goals for the opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 What did Boyle say on twitter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, the snudge said: What did Boyle say on twitter? Nothing major, just a daft comment about fans shouting keep the ball on the deck or some pish, having a bit of a pop at them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cremola foam Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 05/11/2021 at 19:32, the snudge said: So what happens if they don't make repayments? Does the land get seized and we get locked out? Wish I knew the answer to that. Possibly. I am no expert but that doesn't look good to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Nothing major, just a daft comment about fans shouting keep the ball on the deck or some pish, having a bit of a pop at them. It makes sense to keep the ball on the deck. If he doesn't have the ability to do that then he should chuck it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons Fan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Nothing major, just a daft comment about fans shouting keep the ball on the deck or some pish, having a bit of a pop at them. He had a mumble on the pitch about it as well and shouted back into the stands when people including myself shouted to keep it down. It doesn’t take an expert to realise that when the wind kicks up at our ground you cannot play hoof ball, it’s that simple. I find it crazy that our players aren’t told this or learn. Tbh they did start to realise after 3/4 more hoofs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Former Sons favourite Jack Aitchison just notched a neat equaliser for Forest Green away to St Alban's in the FA Cup. #pishatsonsgoodelsewhere 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 31/10/2021 at 00:34, Nowhereman said: Did Clydebank not manage to develop Holm Park because they received assistance from West Dunbartonshire Council? WDC did help pay for renovations that paid the bulk of it, but the stuff to get over the line like toilets, refs changing rooms and other infrastructure was paid for by fans/sponsors and other means. The sums involved are no where near the assistance that John McFall provided the move from boghead to the rock, indeed our new local MP doesnt seem interested in football except for a photo op (as indeed do many in the SNP in the west). We put a case to the council because we formed a structure to provide facilities (along with yoker) which are independently managed taking the burden away from the council in terms of staffing it etc where there was an already significant lack of provision. Its also not just about our first team football, we now have an academy structure led by Uefa accredited coaches from age 5-first team, even with a sunday amateur team and an under 19’s which has produced 5 first team players in a couple of years, a strong womans side and even provision for refugees to play football etc too. Its not a simple case of getting a hand out the work that went into putting all of that into place was a massive undertaking and one which is paying off with both the progression into first teams etc and the 100+ academy members who now come along to our first team matches and go mental every week. On 01/11/2021 at 19:43, Nowhereman said: It certainly is. The fact that a chairman and three directors who were supporters have all quit is clearly concerning. Pushed out? Im quite worried watching from the outside, seems like a significant development, are these people contractually obliged to not give their reasons for resigning? Are Sons fans starting to organise away from P&B because it does just look to be a whole lot of discussion and ‘lets hope for the best’ type chat about hypothetical new grounds when you should really be hammering your board/trust everyone you can for answers and commitments? Maybe a time for you guys to get organised before it gets too late? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Its also not just about our first team football, we now have an academy structure led by Uefa accredited coaches from age 5-first team, even with a sunday amateur team and an under 19’s which has produced 5 first team players in a couple of years, a strong womans side and even provision for refugees to play football etc too. Its not a simple case of getting a hand out the work that went into putting all of that into place was a massive undertaking and one which is paying off with both the progression into first teams etc and the 100+ academy members who now come along to our first team matches and go mental every week. How the f**k do you pay for all that as a part time WoS club? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 An appearance from DFC and the Rock The guy who made the documentary wants to come back and visit us. Could be an interesting time for a Dumbarton doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: How the f**k do you pay for all that as a part time WoS club? Its all grass roots. Our board/volunteers have spent the past 20 years working in the community. One of the first people attracted to the club when we reformed in the juniors is a young guy who got really behind it and developed an interest in coaching etc, he did all his coaching badges up to A licence and has basically designed a full academy structure with the help of the other coaches, the ethos and interlinking of it all is excellent. Obviously the clubs self fundraise but they also get help and support from the club/trust in loads of ways and every single kid from all the 100’s who play for the team are encouraged to be part of the organisation as a whole. They get the benefit of the integrated academy structure with our 19’s and 17’s regularly invited to train with the first team, first team players and coaches help out the younger kids too and the result of that is an incredibly secure thriving structure. As someone who didnt ever really think about these things before its actually quite staggering how impressive it all is. Our under 19’s regularly play on friday nights, have their own social media strategy, match sponsors/sponsored man of the match and get crowds that some wosl clubs would be happy with. Our womans team has pretty much every single player sponsored and the girls are every bit a Bankies first team player as their male equivalents. Lots of folks just devoting hundreds of hours of their own time to make it work. Commercially as a club we’re improving every single year and I know that we arent even in the top half of wosl clubs, most is just dedicated volunteers. Dumbarton could quite easily achieve this too, we have the buses leaving the town for the two arse cheeks just the same as you, its just about getting more organised and maybe becoming a wee bit more militant than you’ve been before? Protesting, organising in the community, every year we sell Bankies merch in the run up to xmas in the shopping centre, fans volunteering to do it and it helps engage people, Dumbarton could do that, plenty space in the high street. Basically what im getting at is you guys need to stop seeing yourself as only fans and now seeing yourself as custodians of your clubs history to preserve it for your kids. Every club at our level to your own needs to do that, owners come and go, you guys are forever (lets face it you have to be to be a Bankies or Sons fan, we dont do it for the european glamour ties) you just have to start seeing it that way. Because that wee bit of engagement that you guys as a trust or fans do could attract the fan who in 10/15 years time builds your youth academy or something similar? I hope that doesnt come across the wrong way, grew up in Dumbarton and went to school with a lot of guys who I think are now Dumbarton fans and have a real soft spot for the club. But in 21 years of living there before I moved away never had a single bit of pr to get along to any game, ive been offered more Albion Rovers tickets living/working in Dumbarton than Dumbarton tickets? Edited November 9, 2021 by Inanimate Carbon Rod 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Its all grass roots. Our board/volunteers have spent the past 20 years working in the community. One of the first people attracted to the club when we reformed in the juniors is a young guy who got really behind it and developed an interest in coaching etc, he did all his coaching badges up to A licence and has basically designed a full academy structure with the help of the other coaches, the ethos and interlinking of it all is excellent. Obviously the clubs self fundraise but they also get help and support from the club/trust in loads of ways and every single kid from all the 100’s who play for the team are encouraged to be part of the organisation as a whole. They get the benefit of the integrated academy structure with our 19’s and 17’s regularly invited to train with the first team, first team players and coaches help out the younger kids too and the result of that is an incredibly secure thriving structure. As someone who didnt ever really think about these things before its actually quite staggering how impressive it all is. Our under 19’s regularly play on friday nights, have their own social media strategy, match sponsors/sponsored man of the match and get crowds that some wosl clubs would be happy with. Our womans team has pretty much every single player sponsored and the girls are every bit a Bankies first team player as their male equivalents. Lots of folks just devoting hundreds of hours of their own time to make it work. Commercially as a club we’re improving every single year and I know that we arent even in the top half of wosl clubs, most is just dedicated volunteers. Dumbarton could quite easily achieve this too, we have the buses leaving the town for the two arse cheeks just the same as you, its just about getting more organised and maybe becoming a wee bit more militant than you’ve been before? Protesting, organising in the community, every year we sell Bankies merch in the run up to xmas in the shopping centre, fans volunteering to do it and it helps engage people, Dumbarton could do that, plenty space in the high street. Basically what im getting at is you guys need to stop seeing yourself as only fans and now seeing yourself as custodians of your clubs history to preserve it for your kids. Every club at our level to your own needs to do that, owners come and go, you guys are forever (lets face it you have to be to be a Bankies or Sons fan, we dont do it for the european glamour ties) you just have to start seeing it that way. Because that wee bit of engagement that you guys as a trust or fans do could attract the fan who in 10/15 years time builds your youth academy or something similar? I hope that doesnt come across the wrong way, grew up in Dumbarton and went to school with a lot of guys who I think are now Dumbarton fans and have a real soft spot for the club. But in 21 years of living there before I moved away never had a single bit of pr to get along to any game, ive been offered more Albion Rovers tickets living/working in Dumbarton than Dumbarton tickets? Your posts have been very interesting and in parts quite inspiring but at present there is no direct comparison between our two football clubs. As a co-founder of the Sonstrust, myself and a colleague became tangentially involved in the efforts to preserve the Bankies as a senior club. That ultimately failed and whilst that was a grimly painful experience, it allowed the people who really cared about having a football club in the town to forge their own future, something which has been achieved with great distinction. Turning to Dumbarton FC, relocation to the site at The Rock in 2000 has now proven to be much more of a curse than a blessing, and whilst we regularly appear on websites and in books about iconic football grounds, the sad truth is that the club has also become a magnet for chancers who wish to use it as a relocation vehicle to make money from speculative land sales. This process started around ten years ago with a Faustian pact between the then club Board and a consortium of businessmen with no previous experience of delivering such a development. That adventure eventually imploded on the refusal of Planning Consent; meanwhile a football club has somehow managed to struggle on. As things now stand our majority shareholder is the last man standing from the Brabco consortium who has enlisted a Norwegian business associate to the cause. I am a current member of the Trust Board and myself and a colleague have now spoken with the latter (a Director of DFC), and we are poles apart on the future affairs of Dumbarton FC. The majority shareholder keeps a lower profile but he produced the lyrics for the hymn sheet. All these years of fantastic visions, promises, meetings, presentations, assurances and ultimately repeated failure to prise us away from our iconic location has had a debilitating effect on the club's standing in the local community and a measure of the current situation is the recent resignation of the club Chairman, Company Secretary and two Associate Directors who have been important sponsors. There is still hope of better days, but like the Bankies, the best route to that will be when DFC is in the control of the local community. 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the snudge Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Great couple of posts from OKI and our Bankie friend there. I dream of a stadium in the direct centre of town fully engaged with a youth academy, over 40s, disability football, walking football and a multi facetted sports club (from chess and athletics to bowls). Then we would have real community engagement and it would be near impossible to die with that many people invested in it. That takes money and or the local council involvement. I can but dream. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, the snudge said: I dream of a stadium in the direct centre of town fully engaged with a youth academy, over 40s, disability football, walking football and a multi facetted sports club (from chess and athletics to bowls). Then we would have real community engagement and it would be near impossible to die with that many people invested in it. Would you be able to pay by card at the turnstile? If so count me in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel wickson Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Some colour footage of Boghead, possibly Sons v Albion Rovers on Wednesday 12 August 1959 in a League Cuo group game. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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