Sons' sorrow

[Jan Vojáček]

1 minute ago, lorenzo71 said:

Livid Lorenzo says...'you're so BOLI stupid!!'

Seething P'N'B posters demanded BLOOD as premier primadonnas threatened league season with a HALT...

Demanding blood, premier primadonnas, Halt in block capitals.

You're good at this tabloid stuff I must say.

[lorenzo71]

33 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Leaving the ridiculous Bolingoli incident aside, what actually are the rules for footballers? I’ve not remotey tried to read up on it but I’m assuming that after the incident regarding the Aberdeen players that they aren’t allowed out in public places at all? Part-time players wont even remotely be able to stick to such rules so either we need the virus to magically disappear or the rules will have to change prior to October. 

I assume its a bubble ..training...supermarket...home...no discos,clubs,pubs etc. Due to the SKY deal some serious cash is at stake and if games get called off as happened on Saturday the repercussions are for all clubs especially in the top flight.Part time players have no chance of that Bubble but they can avoid pubs/clubs etc  unless they work in one.Basically socialising is out unless its at home with small numbers.That is the reality as I understand it.

[lorenzo71]

6 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:

Demanding blood, premier primadonnas, Halt in block capitals.

You're good at this tabloid stuff I must say.

Geese a joab big yin...

[lorenzo71]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53729630

This gives some rules at CL level as laid out by UEFA.Basically players confined to the hotel and only allowed out by specific request.Even then NO contact with persons outside their group.

Sounds a bit like ARGENTINA '78

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

8 minutes ago, lorenzo71 said:

I assume its a bubble ..training...supermarket...home...no discos,clubs,pubs etc. Due to the SKY deal some serious cash is at stake and if games get called off as happened on Saturday the repercussions are for all clubs especially in the top flight.Part time players have no chance of that Bubble but they can avoid pubs/clubs etc  unless they work in one.Basically socialising is out unless its at home with small numbers.That is the reality as I understand it.

Some part-time players will be on peanuts, should they be expected to forego any form of social life to slug it out in League 2 or the Lowland League for 100 quid (or less) a week? I’m not sure going to a pub or a restaurant is any more of a risk than a supermarket or attending a day job tbh. There’s no way they can apply that rule to part-timers.

[Buddie Holly]

Just now, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Some part-time players will be on peanuts, should they be expected to forego any form of social life to slug it out in League 2 or the Lowland League for 100 quid (or less) a week? I’m not sure going to a pub or a restaurant is any more of a risk than a supermarket or attending a day job tbh. There’s no way they can apply that rule to part-timers.

they are still professional footballers no matter where they play so must stick to the rules.if going to the pub is more important to them then they should hang up their boots.

[The Moonster]

44 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Leaving the ridiculous Bolingoli incident aside, what actually are the rules for footballers? I’ve not remotey tried to read up on it but I’m assuming that after the incident regarding the Aberdeen players that they aren’t allowed out in public places at all? Part-time players wont even remotely be able to stick to such rules so either we need the virus to magically disappear or the rules will have to change prior to October. 

Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that they're just living under the same rules as me and you. Aberdeen players broke the household law, them being in a pub isn't against any rules. Same goes for Bolingoli and Griffiths, the former being free to travel to Spain the same as everyone else but he had to quarantine on his way back and didn't, Griffiths held a house party with his mates, which again is against the rules for everyone.  Part time players won't be any different.

[lorenzo71]

13 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Some part-time players will be on peanuts, should they be expected to forego any form of social life to slug it out in League 2 or the Lowland League for 100 quid (or less) a week? I’m not sure going to a pub or a restaurant is any more of a risk than a supermarket or attending a day job tbh. There’s no way they can apply that rule to part-timers.

The bigger problem is policing it.If BOLI went to Spain and no one knew imagine part -time players.I think it is a policy but if when we start back players are turning up with positive tests then lower leagues will be halted for sure.There's Aberdeen and Celtic's match postponed due to 1 player...

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

1 hour ago, Buddie Holly said:

they are still professional footballers no matter where they play so must stick to the rules.if going to the pub is more important to them then they should hang up their boots.

They are semi-professional and having a social life doesn’t just involve going to the pub.
 

If what Moonster says is true then it’s irrelevant anyway, if they stick to the same rules as the general public then they should be fine. I assumed because they were training in close contact with the rest of their squad they weren’t allowed to mingle with the general public in places like restaurants etc. 

[Boghead ranter]

I too think the that the elite players are only supposed to adhere to the same roles as all of us, rather than having enhanced rules.

The only thing the differentiates them from us, and allows them to play, is that they are regularly tested (twice per week, iirc). 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Boghead ranter

[The Moonster]

5 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

They are semi-professional and having a social life doesn’t just involve going to the pub.
 

If what Moonster says is true then it’s irrelevant anyway, if they stick to the same rules as the general public then they should be fine. I assumed because they were training in close contact with the rest of their squad they weren’t allowed to mingle with the general public in places like restaurants etc. 

I think one of the protocols just now is that teams don't do close contact training, they all work in groups of 2 or 3 and even then they are distanced. I think that's something that will need to change for some part time sides though, I'm not sure it's possible for some teams to have socially distanced training when they've got a squad of 20 and half a park to train on. I know we've got a fairly decent set up for training now but they are rented facilities as well, I assume there will be measures in place there that might limit our training time or area of the park we can use.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

In the midst of all this pandemic panic, has anyone noticed that this has probably been our best start to a season in years ?

[lionel wickson]

Joe McKee signing for Queen of the South?

[The Moonster]

17 minutes ago, lionel wickson said:

Joe McKee signing for Queen of the South?

I'm disappointed he's gone but I'll be happier if he ends up in the Championship rather than a team in this division.

[Skyline Drifter]

5 hours ago, The Moonster said:

Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that they're just living under the same rules as me and you. Aberdeen players broke the household law, them being in a pub isn't against any rules. Same goes for Bolingoli and Griffiths, the former being free to travel to Spain the same as everyone else but he had to quarantine on his way back and didn't, Griffiths held a house party with his mates, which again is against the rules for everyone.  Part time players won't be any different.

 

3 hours ago, Boghead ranter said:

I too think the that the elite players are only supposed to adhere to the same roles as all of us, rather than having enhanced rules.

The only thing the differentiates them from us, and allows them to play, is that they are regularly tested (twice per week, iirc). 

 

3 hours ago, The Moonster said:

I think one of the protocols just now is that teams don't do close contact training, they all work in groups of 2 or 3 and even then they are distanced. I think that's something that will need to change for some part time sides though, I'm not sure it's possible for some teams to have socially distanced training when they've got a squad of 20 and half a park to train on. I know we've got a fairly decent set up for training now but they are rented facilities as well, I assume there will be measures in place there that might limit our training time or area of the park we can use.

They are living under the same rules as the rest of us away from the football club. They are now allowed close contact training but are tested twice a week (it very briefly dropped to once a week prior to the St Mirren 7 incident but was put back up to twice after that and hasn't been dropped again since). They do have to socially distance in the changing room and are not allowed to travel to training / games in the same car unless they live together, etc.

Premiership sides back so far have been required to train in a bio secure environment. Doesn't necessarily have to be their own exclusive space but they certainly would have to have exclusive use of it at the time (the notion of half a park wouldn't work) and would have to take responsibility for disinfecting it before use. It's certainly much easier if it's your own facility and nobody else uses it.

QoS for instance who normally train at Hamilton Palace (which I think is still closed) will be relocating training to Palmerston for a period at least. It's all going to be more difficult for part time sides obviously. There's been a standing assumption that restrictions and hopefully test numbers would be dropped by the time they got back but it's looking less and less likely now, especially with the antics of the last weekend.

EDITED to add this is the biggest worry for lower division sides. The longer crap like this goes on, the longer we'll be required to pay for twice weekly testing. Playing behind closed doors is already an absolute nightmare. Lower division clubs can't afford to do it for long. That's why the delay to start in October in the first place. In the hope that some crowds would be allowed by then and they could keep going to January if need be. If this sort of thing delays crowds for longer and people can't access streams in the lower divisions (or decide actually they don't want to pay for them as it's not the same) that's bad enough and a very obvious problem. Not quite so obvious is the quiet cost of testing which could easily be thousands a week depending on squad sizes, etc and for much longer than anticipated. Everybody's £50k Anderson grant isn't going to last long in that case. It will be spent in full long before Xmas.

Edited August 11, 2020 by Skyline Drifter

[parsforlife]

23 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

 

 

They are living under the same rules as the rest of us away from the football club. They are now allowed close contact training but are tested twice a week (it very briefly dropped to once a week prior to the St Mirren 7 incident but was put back up to twice after that and hasn't been dropped again since). They do have to socially distance in the changing room and are not allowed to travel to training / games in the same car unless they live together, etc.

Premiership sides back so far have been required to train in a bio secure environment. Doesn't necessarily have to be their own exclusive space but they certainly would have to have exclusive use of it at the time (the notion of half a park wouldn't work) and would have to take responsibility for disinfecting it before use. It's certainly much easier if it's your own facility and nobody else uses it.

QoS for instance who normally train at Hamilton Palace (which I think is still closed) will be relocating training to Palmerston for a period at least. It's all going to be more difficult for part time sides obviously. There's been a standing assumption that restrictions and hopefully test numbers would be dropped by the time they got back but it's looking less and less likely now, especially with the antics of the last weekend.

EDITED to add this is the biggest worry for lower division sides. The longer crap like this goes on, the longer we'll be required to pay for twice weekly testing. Playing behind closed doors is already an absolute nightmare. Lower division clubs can't afford to do it for long. That's why the delay to start in October in the first place. In the hope that some crowds would be allowed by then and they could keep going to January if need be. If this sort of thing delays crowds for longer and people can't access streams in the lower divisions (or decide actually they don't want to pay for them as it's not the same) that's bad enough and a very obvious problem. Not quite so obvious is the quiet cost of testing which could easily be thousands a week depending on squad sizes, etc and for much longer than anticipated. Everybody's £50k Anderson grant isn't going to last long in that case. It will be spent in full long before Xmas.

In terms of testing the SFA have given dates for returning to grassroots football.   With contact training starting up at the end of the month and a possibility of a return to games by October. 

If the grassroots game is back up playing then you would think the requirement for testing at spfl to be dropped.  I see no purpose in hundreds of clubs back playing and then worrying about a small number of clubs doing pretty much exactly the same things.

[pleslie99]

1 hour ago, parsforlife said:

In terms of testing the SFA have given dates for returning to grassroots football.   With contact training starting up at the end of the month and a possibility of a return to games by October. 

If the grassroots game is back up playing then you would think the requirement for testing at spfl to be dropped.  I see no purpose in hundreds of clubs back playing and then worrying about a small number of clubs doing pretty much exactly the same things.

They have only given provisional dates for the return of grassroots football. Although many are hopefull it will be that date and are planning as such. I think the majority realise that it is unlikely. With the nonsense with celtic and aberdeen, the outbreaks up north and in other parts of the country, I just can't see it returning soon. 

As for lower league stuff, it will be easier as they have private, unshared facilities for games etc that are easily cleaned and disinfected. Albeit God knows what many would do for training, us included However! However, playing these games without fans could spell the end for many.

[SUPERSOUTH]

11 hours ago, lionel wickson said:

Joe McKee signing for Queen of the South?

What type of player is he? Seems he did pretty well at Sons last season. 

[Nowhereman]

20 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

Some part-time players will be on peanuts, should they be expected to forego any form of social life to slug it out in League 2 or the Lowland League for 100 quid (or less) a week? I’m not sure going to a pub or a restaurant is any more of a risk than a supermarket or attending a day job tbh. There’s no way they can apply that rule to part-timers.

Going to a pub is way more risky than a supermarket. You only need to look at the pictures that have been floating about of crowded bars to see that. 

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

4 hours ago, Nowhereman said:

Going to a pub is way more risky than a supermarket. You only need to look at the pictures that have been floating about of crowded bars to see that. 

I totally agree but if we are basing it on the government guidance they are classifying them in the same category.