Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I'd have been happy keeping who we had, never mind bringing more folk through the gate. People stop going to games for any number of reasons. I'll respect those reasons but it doesnt change the fact that the lower our crowds are then the less money we have available to spend. The less money we spend then the poorer our results are likely to be. Poorer results? More fans become bored with football and stay away. At some point we need to either get more folk through the gates or face up to where this decline is going to take us. We need people to actually value Scottish football, to see it as something worth supporting and to get themselves out of the house, the pub, the bookies or whatever else they do on a Saturday afternoon and get along to a game.On the flipside, last season's average attendance is up almost 250 compared to what it was 20 years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: 13 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: I'd have been happy keeping who we had, never mind bringing more folk through the gate. People stop going to games for any number of reasons. I'll respect those reasons but it doesnt change the fact that the lower our crowds are then the less money we have available to spend. The less money we spend then the poorer our results are likely to be. Poorer results? More fans become bored with football and stay away. At some point we need to either get more folk through the gates or face up to where this decline is going to take us. We need people to actually value Scottish football, to see it as something worth supporting and to get themselves out of the house, the pub, the bookies or whatever else they do on a Saturday afternoon and get along to a game. On the flipside, last season's average attendance is up almost 250 compared to what it was 20 years ago. If we win games fans will turn up. It's that simple. Peterhead and Clyde were winning games last season so their attendances went up. Just as we had 1,100 against Elgin in the Third Division, but 500 against Queen of the South in the Championship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said: If we win games fans will turn up. It's that simple. Peterhead and Clyde were winning games last season so their attendances went up. Just as we had 1,100 against Elgin in the Third Division, but 500 against Queen of the South in the Championship. Which, unless we want to spend money we don't have, is unsustainable. If we can only ever rely on fans following a winning team then we're in trouble because we don't have the money to build a winning team and we don't have anybody willing and able to throw money at us. Something needs to give. We need people to actually value having a professional football team in their local community. If they don't then we really are trapped in a cycle of decline that we're not guaranteed of escaping. If we can't find a way to get more fans through the gates then we're in for a very painful future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Peterhead and Clyde fans sticking the boot in. That's how far we've fallen folks. Your seasons in the sun happened to coincide with our darkest days but fear not, natural order is being restored. [emoji6] -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Which, unless we want to spend money we don't have, is unsustainable. If we can only ever rely on fans following a winning team then we're in trouble because we don't have the money to build a winning team and we don't have anybody willing and able to throw money at us. Something needs to give. We need people to actually value having a professional football team in their local community. If they don't then we really are trapped in a cycle of decline that we're not guaranteed of escaping. If we can't find a way to get more fans through the gates then we're in for a very painful future. You don't need to spend unsustainable money to be successful and get fans in. Sure it makes things a heck of a lot easier, but money is no guarantee of success. Just look at Ian Murray and Stevie Aitken for evidence of that. Edit: Arbroath obviously had a great season last year, and would pay decent wages, but I refuse to believe they spent unsustainable funds. Edited July 13, 2019 by Jan Vojáček 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 On the flipside, last season's average attendance is up almost 250 compared to what it was 20 years ago. Aye, the last few years at Boghead were grim on and off the park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, sarti pooh said: That's a better scoring rate than Ben Armour had for us The problem Ryan had was he scored more own goals than for us, at the time he was a liability anywhere near or goal. As folk say that was some time ago & he did look better at Queens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, peternapper said: The problem Ryan had was he scored more own goals than for us, at the time he was a liability anywhere near or goal. As folk say that was some time ago & he did look better at Queens. Eight games, two goals for and at least three into the wrong net. I mean fair play to him, that's quite an impact 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarti pooh Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, peternapper said: The problem Ryan had was he scored more own goals than for us, at the time he was a liability anywhere near or goal. As folk say that was some time ago & he did look better at Queens. The problem Ben had was he scored the same amount of own goals than for us, at the time he was a liability anywhere near or goal. As folk say that was some time ago... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Your seasons in the sun happened to coincide with our darkest days but fear not, natural order is being restored. [emoji6]I'm guessing that's the natural order from the 1950's? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamGaz Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Apart from the placement of the Joka logo I quite like those kits (sorry!) we wore stripes from the late 1880s to the 1920’s ... when we were one of the best teams in the country, if not the world ... before changing to hoops. East Fife adopted them just as we were ditching them, if anything they stole the idea from us as a tribute to the superior team! hope we’re pairing it with white shorts for the full retro effect! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel wickson Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, GoTeamGaz said: Apart from the placement of the Joka logo I quite like those kits (sorry!) we wore stripes from the late 1880s to the 1920’s ... when we were one of the best teams in the country, if not the world ... before changing to hoops. East Fife adopted them just as we were ditching them, if anything they stole the idea from us as a tribute to the superior team! hope we’re pairing it with white shorts for the full retro effect! Yesterday's kit reveal has black shorts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleslie99 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Anyone there today? How do we look? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, pleslie99 said: Anyone there today? How do we look? Solid. If a little toothless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTeamGaz Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I guess most people know I'm a bit of a kit obsessive, but it really is a hiding to nothing - impossible to please everyone! It6 looks like we're at a level/budget where we just can't justify bespoke kits, at which point I'd rather see us in yellow/black than a plain white kit. Given the current Joma catalogue I think the kit was a fair choice, there are maybe a couple of others I'd have been just as happy with but there really is no perfect option, everything in their catalogue uses Empire Yellow except the amber strip that was formerly our away kit. Joma Supernova Joma Grafity Joma Tiger Joma Flag Joma Inter Joma Pisa Joma Winner Joma 50Y if we go super maverick & dip into the Handball catalogue.. Joma Hispa II Joma Hispa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super-son Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Will there be Sons TV coverage of today's game?Come to think of it... Will there be Sons TV coverage at all this season? Haven't heard anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albundy Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I guess most people know I'm a bit of a kit obsessive, but it really is a hiding to nothing - impossible to please everyone! It6 looks like we're at a level/budget where we just can't justify bespoke kits, at which point I'd rather see us in yellow/black than a plain white kit. Given the current Joma catalogue I think the kit was a fair choice, there are maybe a couple of others I'd have been just as happy with but there really is no perfect option, everything in their catalogue uses Empire Yellow except the amber strip that was formerly our away kit. Joma Supernova Joma Grafity Joma Tiger Joma Flag Joma Inter Joma Pisa Joma Winner Joma 50Y if we go super maverick & dip into the Handball catalogue..Joma Hispa II Joma Hispa Some of those tops look really nice, would be interesting to see how many tops we shift this season compared to the last 3/4 i.e. where the top was generally welcomed vs the budget catalogue stinker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albundy Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Realistically we cant expect much and the whole 'top 4' thing was to get people excited and buying STs.Thats all.That's where I have an issue. Not because I feel conned into buying a season ticket, I would have bought one anyway, but I would rather there was a fair assesment of our target and constraints. I don't need to be promised a winning team, I'll buy in whatever the deal is, I just ask for transparency and a little empathy on how things impact us supporters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super-son Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Eight games, two goals for and at least three into the wrong net. I mean fair play to him, that's quite an impact Quite the impact for us aswell it seems.A head knock resulting in a bandage and a handball within 3 minutes of being subbed on [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo71 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, albundy said: That's where I have an issue. Not because I feel conned into buying a season ticket, I would have bought one anyway, but I would rather there was a fair assesment of our target and constraints. I don't need to be promised a winning team, I'll buy in whatever the deal is, I just ask for transparency and a little empathy on how things impact us supporters. Aye i take your point but maybe for most Sons fans the board thought it would be better to up their aim-rightly or wrongly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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