cmontheloknow Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) On 27/06/2019 at 14:16, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: The amount of guys who we have signed/being linked with that currently ply their trade in the juniors/lowland league seriously concerns me. Signed we have Tierney, McCluskey and Scullion and we're being linked with McMillan, Finnie, Bakar, Zata and I'm guessing Osei has been jobbing around some junior mob. I've also heard there are a few others at training from the juniors but don't have names. I'm not saying it will happen but if we sign all the guys we are linked with that will be 8 players we're expecting to step up to League 1 football from either the juniors or the Lowland league. I mean if we were to compliment those 8 with proper quality it wouldn't be as big a concern but as it stands the only real quality we have is Carswell. It's just baffling to me, I don't believe for a second we have a budget smaller than anyone else in the SPFL so I can only assume Duffy is choosing to go down this route. Guys like McKee I'd take in a second but I'm not remotely convinced by any of the other guys training with us. I'm fully expecting a few loans but in all honesty if I was a Premiership or Championship squad with a good young prospect but I'd be taking one look at our squad and thinking f**k sending him there. A relegation battle and playing alongside junior standard players isn't really what they will be looking for to aid their youngsters development. McCluskey is proven at your level and would have been in L1 last season had a very early season move to Stenny not collapsed quite acrimoniously due to him being under contract with ourselves. Tierney started off last season at Accies, Scullion likewise the season before and has experience in L1. It's not quite like picking up someone with no pedigree whatsoever. Edited June 30, 2019 by cmontheloknow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Fair do’s ill happily hold my hands up and say I’ve been overly critical over the past few days..My point about the “clique” was more about the atmosphere around the club. I did mention that. The person who made the post about the premier season ticket said on their post they had spoken to someone at the club. I was saying what i had read from his post. My comments about the “social media mouth piece” are my opinion. I haven’t once questioned how hard they work for the club. Its great they have the time to give up. Others don’t have that privilege. I certainly haven’t “had a go” as you put it. Its also easier to give a negative comment when there is not much positive things happening. Referring to someone as a mouthpiece is having a go. Social media person would’ve been fine.It’s unfortunate that you feel the way you do, but I don’t recognise the clique or general atmosphere you mention. What’s clear is that there’s challenges behind the scenes; Brabco being the elephant in the room here, and that ramifications of their input (or complete lack thereof) is having a significant impact on the club operationally.Hunt me down at the next game, we’ll share a beer and have a moan about all things DFC, no harm in a moan btw, it’s what we do best; but I guarantee I’ll come up with a few ideas of how we could both contribute just a little to making the club better. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 McCluskey is proven at your level and would have been in L1 last season had a very early season move to Stenny not collapsed quite acrimoniously due to him being under contract with ourselves. Tierney started off last season at Accies, Scullion likewise the season before and has experience in L1. It's not quite like picking up someone with no pedigree whatsoever.McCluskey is quite literally the only player you've mentioned who has any sort of credible league experience, and that doesn't change the fact he's been plying his trade in junior football for two years. Scullion has made one League 1 start (5league starts in total). Tierney has made four League 1 starts (2 years ago, and his only SPFL starts to date. Lets not try and pretend that can be considered "pedigree". They have pretty much no experience at our level and the step up from Lowland League/the juniors is huge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, KennyWilsonsMoustache said: This season is shaping up nicely on and off the field... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: McCluskey is quite literally the only player you've mentioned who has any sort of credible league experience, and that doesn't change the fact he's been plying his trade in junior football for two years. Scullion has made one League 1 start (5league starts in total). Tierney has made four League 1 starts (2 years ago, and his only SPFL starts to date. Lets not try and pretend that can be considered "pedigree". They have pretty much no experience at our level and the step up from Lowland League/the juniors is huge. They are 20/21 years old respectively. They both have been in and around Senior football the majority of their careers. There are plenty of decent players with less experience of 1st team football at their age. If they'd signed direct from Accies would you be less irate? McCluskey signed for Pollok because he wanted to work with his old Shotts manager Tony McInally (won Junior Cup together). It would have been a one season wonder had he not shown loyalty and re-signed for us ahead of the end of that season - that meant for him he was tied to us when another club (Stenny) came calling. As McInally put it himself in August '18: "The Stef McCluskey situation is quite simple – he is a signed and contracted Pollok player who has decided in his own mind that he wants to try and play senior football again. We don’t have a problem with that. He has been approached by a few senior clubs (one in particular) who think it is their right to contact our player, offer him a deal which basically has unsettled our player without respecting our club. They have offered him a deal for next season without speaking or commencing negotiations with us first. With the season transfer window winding down, it is their perogative to engage in dialogue with us to try and secure Stefan’s services. We would not stand in Stefan’s way of trying senior again however, both the senior club and the player need to respect our position as a club as we will need to replace him in our team/squad. We will see what develops in coming days and weeks." https://pollokfc.com/2018/08/17/tony-mcinallys-new-season-reflection/ Stef's more than capable of playing in L1 with you and it would have been with Stenny but for the contractual issue and the inability to resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties. That inability led to him not playing for us until the manager changed in November. Edited June 30, 2019 by cmontheloknow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 They are 20/21 years old respectively. They both have been in and around Senior football the majority of their careers. There are plenty of decent players with less experience of 1st team football at their age. If they'd signed direct from Accies would you be less irate? McCluskey signed for Pollok because he wanted to work with his old Shotts manager Tony McInally (won Junior Cup together). It would have been a one season wonder had he not shown loyalty and re-signed for us ahead of the end of that season - that meant for him he was tied to us when another club (Stenny) came calling. As McInally put it himself in August '18:"The Stef McCluskey situation is quite simple – he is a signed and contracted Pollok player who has decided in his own mind that he wants to try and play senior football again. We don’t have a problem with that. He has been approached by a few senior clubs (one in particular) who think it is their right to contact our player, offer him a deal which basically has unsettled our player without respecting our club. They have offered him a deal for next season without speaking or commencing negotiations with us first. With the season transfer window winding down, it is their perogative to engage in dialogue with us to try and secure Stefan’s services. We would not stand in Stefan’s way of trying senior again however, both the senior club and the player need to respect our position as a club as we will need to replace him in our team/squad. We will see what develops in coming days and weeks." https://pollokfc.com/2018/08/17/tony-mcinallys-new-season-reflection/ Stef's more than capable of playing in L1 with you and it would have been with Stenny but for the contractual issue and the inability to resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties. That inability led to him not playing for us until the manager changed in November.Irate? I'm far from irate. Concerned perhaps. Your initial post was in response to a post I made about us signing potentially EIGHT players directly from the juniors or Lowland League. In that post I highlighted that that concerned me, and it still does. Tierney and Scullion are two examples of the type of signing that concern me. Were we signing these signing these guys and complimenting them with experienced, proven quality I'd be fine with it, but it doesn't look like we are, it looks like we are complimenting them with further players from outwith the SPFL. I've been watching Dumbarton long enough to know that the success rate of players arriving from the juniors is low. I do not want 50% of our squad being signed from the juniors or Edusport. McCluskey isn't the issue here (although I'm hardly delighted with his signing), nor are Scullion and Tierney, but the more of these type of guys who arrive means it becomes a problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: They are 20/21 years old respectively. They both have been in and around Senior football the majority of their careers. There are plenty of decent players with less experience of 1st team football at their age. If they'd signed direct from Accies would you be less irate? McCluskey signed for Pollok because he wanted to work with his old Shotts manager Tony McInally (won Junior Cup together). It would have been a one season wonder had he not shown loyalty and re-signed for us ahead of the end of that season - that meant for him he was tied to us when another club (Stenny) came calling. As McInally put it himself in August '18: "The Stef McCluskey situation is quite simple – he is a signed and contracted Pollok player who has decided in his own mind that he wants to try and play senior football again. We don’t have a problem with that. He has been approached by a few senior clubs (one in particular) who think it is their right to contact our player, offer him a deal which basically has unsettled our player without respecting our club. They have offered him a deal for next season without speaking or commencing negotiations with us first. With the season transfer window winding down, it is their perogative to engage in dialogue with us to try and secure Stefan’s services. We would not stand in Stefan’s way of trying senior again however, both the senior club and the player need to respect our position as a club as we will need to replace him in our team/squad. We will see what develops in coming days and weeks." https://pollokfc.com/2018/08/17/tony-mcinallys-new-season-reflection/ Stef's more than capable of playing in L1 with you and it would have been with Stenny but for the contractual issue and the inability to resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties. That inability led to him not playing for us until the manager changed in November. Big Gal the centre half doesn't fancy the seniors does he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said: Big Gal the centre half doesn't fancy the seniors does he? If he did, he'd probably not be with us! It was work that took him to us from QP in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Irate? I'm far from irate. Concerned perhaps. Your initial post was in response to a post I made about us signing potentially EIGHT players directly from the juniors or Lowland League. In that post I highlighted that that concerned me, and it still does. Tierney and Scullion are two examples of the type of signing that concern me. Were we signing these signing these guys and complimenting them with experienced, proven quality I'd be fine with it, but it doesn't look like we are, it looks like we are complimenting them with further players from outwith the SPFL. I've been watching Dumbarton long enough to know that the success rate of players arriving from the juniors is low. I do not want 50% of our squad being signed from the juniors or Edusport. McCluskey isn't the issue here (although I'm hardly delighted with his signing), nor are Scullion and Tierney, but the more of these type of guys who arrive means it becomes a problem. You don't know yet for sure they will be the mainstays though Stef I'm sure will do you a turn out wide. I think the whole 'signing from Juniors' thing is evolving though - in the past you'd be bringing in a guy mid to late 20s who had not been offered a shot at 'the Seniors' before - now it seems that more and more it's guys not making it at their first Senior club and dropping down then coming back up. Edusport last year were loaded with these sorts... and Scott McLaughlin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 5 hours ago, sarti pooh said: Whats your point caller? Every Dumbarton fan has turned down European nights to watch the sons play. You get it all over. Folk who start supporting their local team after decades of ignoring them for one of the Old Firm seem desperate to get praise at every available opportunity for the immense sacrifice theyve made, and we should all be thankful they were brave enough to make that switch. Had a fair few pop up at Saints game for a while. Routine usually goes - Appear, demand praise for switching, tell everyone what you've sacrificed, complain the clubs not spending enough, complain the club isn't performing well enough, vanish, never to be seen again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 You get it all over. Folk who start supporting their local team after decades of ignoring them for one of the Old Firm seem desperate to get praise at every available opportunity for the immense sacrifice theyve made, and we should all be thankful they were brave enough to make that switch. Had a fair few pop up at Saints game for a while. Routine usually goes - Appear, demand praise for switching, tell everyone what you've sacrificed, complain the clubs not spending enough, complain the club isn't performing well enough, vanish, never to be seen again.Equally there are plenty of people who make the switch and don't act like this. You just wouldn't be aware of them. Some of us respect the fans who have been there for years and are far more emotionally involved. We don't feel the need to shout out every thought that comes into our heads. Surely you want new fans? That attitude isn't going to help retain them and is more likely to push them away. I also want to touch on the clique thing. I recognise a hard-core group of fans who have been going for years and all know each other. It can be a bit intimidating but i wouldn't call it a clique that make you feel unwelcome. I reached out on here about the away bus and within a few minutes received a couple of private messages with info and within 15 minutes Moonster had me and my son booked on the bus and signed up to the Facebook group. My experience of the bus was perfectly fine. I think if anyone sees it as a clique, it says more about their own insecurities. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAllDreamOfATeamOfAndyRyans Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Must say from an outsiders perspective, things are looking not so great this season for you guys, shite signings, constant fan arguments, yous seem skint. Can see what’s going to happen though, you will go an win the league by 20 points [emoji23][emoji23] 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Tomorrow's friendly cancelled. I can only assume it's down to only having 9 signed players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'mon_the_Sons Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Tomorrow's friendly cancelled. I can only assume it's down to only having 9 signed players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albundy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Tomorrow's friendly cancelled. I can only assume it's down to only having 9 signed players. PITK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Tomorrow's friendly cancelled. I can only assume it's down to only having 9 signed players. And only 6, fit, outfield players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel wickson Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Good news to follow at 5pm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albundy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Twitter is active again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimistic Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 This is beyond a joke, are we even going to have a team before the season starts? And hee haw from the club. Shocking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 @Silverton End By way of apology for last week's lack of DFC coverage I've dropped a special wee line into this weeks back page chat with Duffy... That went to print at half 2 though, so I'm a bit peeved the friendly wasn't cancelled before that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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