KeeperDee Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Though some disorders may be brought about by the under development of the brain for whatever reason. But like I said, not being able to control feelings is not really a part of it. I'm sure if there was a way to learn to control personality disorders and mental disorders in general, a lot of people would be trying to learn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I can't actually describe it all that well. I can tell you the diagnostic criteria. But to actually explain how I feel, well I'm yet to be able to articulate it. I have a contract of safety in place, I have worked on and off with a fabulous therapist and if I cut or take another od she and I are over. She made it clear she was playing on my abandonment fear. I've take 3 overdoses since the summer, probably around a 15 since I was 15. I've currently got over 100 scars healing on my legs. But to look at you wouldn't know I was actually very ill, In fact I look better than I have done in years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I can't actually describe it all that well. I can tell you the diagnostic criteria. But to actually explain how I feel, well I'm yet to be able to articulate it. I have a contract of safety in place, I have worked on and off with a fabulous therapist and if I cut or take another od she and I are over. She made it clear she was playing on my abandonment fear. I've take 3 overdoses since the summer, probably around a 15 since I was 15. I've currently got over 100 scars healing on my legs. But to look at you wouldn't know I was actually very ill, In fact I look better than I have done in years. how old are you now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 31. I was in the priory when I was 23. Had a good spell between 26 and 30 with varying degrees of medication and psychological support. Had three kids. But I relapsed in the summer. Probably triggered by traumatic birth of third. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 31. I was in the priory when I was 23. Had a good spell between 26 and 30 with varying degrees of medication and psychological support. Had three kids. But I relapsed in the summer. Probably triggered by traumatic birth of third. Well i hope all goes well for you, i thought you were only about 20 for some reason 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Lol. Not often people think I'm younger than I am! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) And for every bit of bad advice on this thread, there is a lot more good advice. It's a genuinely sombre and humbling thread.Reynard has a point here. Only one bit of bad advice could have a very poor outcome if it was acted on. By all means listen, but advice is taking it a step to far.Anyway, it seems Reynard and SF have come in and taken all your dinner money. ETA, throbber is trying to lumber Rowan. Edited December 6, 2013 by Sergeant Wilson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1888bhoy67 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I can feel the initial symptoms coming at me with a vengeance, think i may double up on the Cipralex and maybe a double dose of zopiclone because 7.5mg isn't eliminating the insomia in the slightest, With the medical concerns with the wifes pregnancy, i really don't want to be moaning about at her about how i feel, (if you can call it moaning) I just hope the double dose of cipralex starts improving my mood pdq!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Reynard has a point here. Only one bit of bad advice could have a very poor outcome if it was acted on. By all means listen, but advice is taking it a step to far. Anyway, it seems Reynard and SF have come in and taken all your dinner money. ETA, throbber is trying to lumber Rowan. By lumber do you mean like grooming him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeeperDee Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Reynard has a point here. Only one bit of bad advice could have a very poor outcome if it was acted on. By all means listen, but advice is taking it a step to far. Anyway, it seems Reynard and SF have come in and taken all your dinner money. ETA, throbber is trying to lumber Rowan. I don't agree. The only bad advice I've seen is from trolls and WUMs. If they had the decency to avoid the thread then we wouldn't have an issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Reynard has a point here. Only one bit of bad advice could have a very poor outcome if it was acted on. By all means listen, but advice is taking it a step to far. Anyway, it seems Reynard and SF have come in and taken all your dinner money. ETA, throbber is trying to lumber Rowan. I don't really care of folk want to come in and take the piss they are easy ignored and I'm happy to take the piss in other threads. Your point is Shite though. Far more damage is done to men in the 16-30 age group by not talking,sharing information and advising each other than will be done by one wee piece of bad advice. From what I can see the advice in this thread pretty much seems to boil down to - chat about it,seek medical advice,try out some safe coping mechanisms. All seems pretty reasonable to me. GPs are increasingly turning to social prescribing as well as or instead of meds. That would include seeking out peer networks such as this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 By lumber do you mean like grooming him? I think he means chop him/her up into small pieces of firewood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 With the medical concerns with the wifes pregnancy, i really don't want to be moaning about at her about how i feel, (if you can call it moaning) Must be a massive weight on your mind mate. Good luck with it. Dont worry about having a moan round here, lots of sympathetic ears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think he means chop him/her up into small pieces of firewood. Well I'm not like that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Feeling really happy tonight after the last few days. Gonna move on and forget my ex and enjoy Christmas and the New Year Edited December 6, 2013 by Isaiah Osbourne 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't really care of folk want to come in and take the piss they are easy ignored and I'm happy to take the piss in other threads. Your point is Shite though. Far more damage is done to men in the 16-30 age group by not talking,sharing information and advising each other than will be done by one wee piece of bad advice. From what I can see the advice in this thread pretty much seems to boil down to - chat about it,seek medical advice,try out some safe coping mechanisms. All seems pretty reasonable to me. GPs are increasingly turning to social prescribing as well as or instead of meds. That would include seeking out peer networks such as this. It may surprise you to know this, but I have worked in this type of scenario. Advice by unqualified people should never go beyond who to contact for professional advice. Even a suicide shouldn't be advised not to. Communication should be in the form of questions to allow the person to arrive at their own conclusions, not what you think they should do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JogaBonito Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 It may surprise you to know this, but I have worked in this type of scenario. Advice by unqualified people should never go beyond who to contact for professional advice. Even a suicide shouldn't be advised not to. Communication should be in the form of questions to allow the person to arrive at their own conclusions, not what you think they should do. Have you operated a suicide hotline before? From what I've been reading, it seems like that's the sort of act they're trained to follow too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeeperDee Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 It may surprise you to know this, but I have worked in this type of scenario. Advice by unqualified people should never go beyond who to contact for professional advice. Even a suicide shouldn't be advised not to. Communication should be in the form of questions to allow the person to arrive at their own conclusions, not what you think they should do. Noone has claimed to be more qualified than a professional, and like IA said; the majority of the advice given first states that they should talk to someone qualified about it. Those who have suffered from depression and other mental illnesses will also tend to have decent coping techniques that they will be able to pass on. Thankfully for us we haven't had a person at the edge of suicide on this thread, and you are right to say that questions rather than demands and statements must be directed to someone like that to not stress them or constrain them. Would it be possible to put the number of "breathing space" in the title of this thread? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeeperDee Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Have you operated a suicide hotline before? From what I've been reading, it seems like that's the sort of act they're trained to follow too. Indeed that is the guideline they follow. Pleads and commands often result in increased stress and the person feeling suicidal will feel constrained. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) It may surprise you to know this, but I have worked in this type of scenario. Advice by unqualified people should never go beyond who to contact for professional advice. Even a suicide shouldn't be advised not to. Communication should be in the form of questions to allow the person to arrive at their own conclusions, not what you think they should do.Aye alright apologies I misread you, I thought you were suggesting people should just tell others to go to the docs and not speak about things.I still think advice about coping techniques is fine and the advice just to chat . I would hope people aren't self medicating off the drugs that people have suggested but rather getting an idea what to expect. I'm still not sure I have seen anything in the way of advice that would create negative outcomes altho some of the views offered about women were a shambles and unhelpful. I have done the assist suicide prevention course and I'm a trainer in Scotland's mental health first aid. I would suggest what you are talking about if for people who are suicidal or at the point of suicide. I'm not saying I think I know more than anyone else though. Edited December 6, 2013 by invergowrie arab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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