Jimmy85 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) Was Gary Caldwell not voted Wigans fans player of the year last season? Edited August 20, 2012 by Jimmy85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Erm, what about any of them? Are you trying to say Adam is not unfairly targeted in England? Even at Blackpool he used to get slated whenever Blackpool didn't win, even if he had a tremendous game. You'll have to find me examples of that. Blackpool fans were disappointed to see him go and he was very nearly named their player of the year, tipped deservedly by David Vaughan who had a terrific season with them. You can't just name one player anyways and then say Scottish players aren't treated well in England. The vast majority are treated well. The treatment of Charlie Adam is the exception and not the rule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Times have changed, look at how badly Andy Murray is treated. The effect has rubbed off on other sportsmen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Times have changed, look at how badly Andy Murray is treated. The effect has rubbed off on other sportsmen. The Wimbledon fans' reaction after his gold medal victory was disgraceful IMO. It was bad enough when the fans just booed him, but when they started lobbing scooters and mobile phones at him from the Royal Box, it went a bit OTT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 You'll have to find me examples of that. Blackpool fans were disappointed to see him go and he was very nearly named their player of the year, tipped deservedly by David Vaughan who had a terrific season with them. You can't just name one player anyways and then say Scottish players aren't treated well in England. The vast majority are treated well. The treatment of Charlie Adam is the exception and not the rule. There is absolutely no way Vaughan should have won it, a compeletely scandalous decision. Oh well, Vaughan had the last laugh I guess, not getting into the Wales team and slumming it on the Sunderland bench. But some people still think he's a better player! At least you agree how badly Adam has been treated. So do you deny he is currently badly treated or has he never been badly treated? The Wimbledon fans' reaction after his gold medal victory was disgraceful IMO. It was bad enough when the fans just booed him, but when they started lobbing scooters and mobile phones at him from the Royal Box, it went a bit OTT. Refer to question above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 So do you deny he is currently badly treated or has he never been badly treated? He's a bit of a national treasure curently, I'd probably agree in the past he didn't have the same unconditional love as lovable loser Tim Henman. In any case, this is a very intangiable point you're making, for every Shearer slagging Adam, there was a Redknapp praising him to the hilt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 He's a bit of a national treasure curently, I'd probably agree in the past he didn't have the same unconditional love as lovable loser Tim Henman. In any case, this is a very intangiable point you're making, for every Shearer slagging Adam, there was a Redknapp praising him to the hilt. There were still newspaper articles imploring people not to support him because he is Scottish. Not to mention the Sun stitch up a few years ago. Redknapp talks utter pish and Shearer made a point of repeatedly singling him out for criticism. Why? He was truly brilliant in his first season with Blackpool, but they also had to knock him down a few pegs. Charlie Adam didn't deserve POTY but he deserved it a helluva lot more than Parker who got it that year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 There were still newspaper articles imploring people not to support him because he is Scottish. Where? Redknapp talks utter pish And Shearer is somehow a more valid pundit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Where? And Shearer is somehow a more valid pundit? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2170898/Wimbledon-2012-Why-English-support-Andy-Murray-been.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9383361/Andy-Murray-will-we-ever-learn-to-love-him.html There was a far better one that I can't find just now. Not that it's unknown or anything, and it was terrible for years. Being sycophantic about how good someone is is quite common pundity nonsense, repeatedly singling them out for criticism is something very different and far more unusual. Shearer must absolutely hate him, and he wasn't alone, the consistently dreadful Sunday Supplement wax work museum didn't care for him much either. In fact most pundits seemed to be desperate to put him down, a technically very good Scottish player who would probably get in the England squad at that time. KILL IT WITH FIRE. It's a bit different with Fletcher who has played in England all his career, and is never as extravagantly brilliant as Adam was at times that season. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 The Daily Fail article is dreadful nonsense. The Telegraph one is more sensible. The dislike of Murray, or rather the "failure to love" isn't largely because he is Scottish - it's because his personality and his background "isn't Wimbledon-friendly". It's why John McEnroe was booed for his histrionics, and Andre Agassi took time to become a fans favourite. The Wimbledon set are very class-conscious, on Centre Court certainly. If Andy Murray was a privately educated, well spoken young chap from Morningside who didn't swear on court and scream at his box, he would be loved by the Wimbledon crowd as much as Tim Henman was. As it is, he still gets a very good reception at Wimbledon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 http://www.dailymail...urray-been.html http://www.telegraph...o-love-him.html There was a far better one that I can't find just now. Not that it's unknown or anything, and it was terrible for years. Where do either of these articles "implore"the reader to NOT suport Murray? This is different to comenting upon his mixed receptions in the past. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) Where do either of these articles "implore"the reader to NOT suport Murray? This is different to comenting upon his mixed receptions in the past. http://www.mirror.co...y-murray-315892 http://www.sabotaget...te-andy-murray/ But again, it's common knowledge how Murray is treated, you are just deliberately drawing it out. Also, Andy Murray could be the poshest Scottish person ever but that still ranks lower than a Scouser for the anti Scottish in the South of England. Edited August 20, 2012 by Supras 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Where do either of these articles "implore"the reader to NOT suport Murray? This is different to comenting upon his mixed receptions in the past. Yeah, the only time this was remotely the case was when his comments about the English football team were taken out of context to create a story. With the success of our Scolympians, it's actually a terrible time to peddle the line Supras is attempting to. It was noticeable that with a different "class" of supporter at Wimbledon, the crowd reaction to Murray's wins was phenomenal. In the same way the Velodrome's were to Chris Hoy. If the lamswool cardigan set were horsed from Wimbledon in favour of some more working class English tennis fans, he'd be given the same reaction at Wimbers next year as he got during the Olympics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 And Charlie Adam has had some great press too in England :- http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/20/charlie-adam-blackpool-interview It would be quite something to supersede the Tower, the funfair and a raft of ageing crooners as the first thing people associate with Blackpool, yet Charlie Adam finds himself on a fast track towards achieving that feat in his first Premier League season. The Scot upstaged the illustrious names opposite him for long spells as he controlled the midfield during Manchester City's visit to Blackpool last month, bringing his abilities to the wider attention of a TV audience. With the club captain also having starred in a shock win at Anfield earlier in October and only a week ago sent a 50-yard effort just over Robert Green's bar at West Ham such form has, inevitably, prompted overtures from larger clubs, Liverpool and Everton among them. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/19/charlie-adam-liverpool-blackpool-scotland And what a road it has been. If this is indeed the plan, Adam is going the right way about it. Some in Scotland still looked on with disbelief as the midfielder – who was ridiculed at times when donning Rangers colours – became one of the Premier League's key signings of the summer. Given what he has achieved since leaving Glasgow for Lancashire, initially on loan in February 2009, it would be folly for anyone to bet against Adam achieving his next set of goals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Supras, answer this question simply. If Charlie Adam has been treated badly because he is Scottish, why is there not more examples of this when there are a shitload more Scottish players down there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Supras, answer this question simply. If Charlie Adam has been treated badly because he is Scottish, why is there not more examples of this when there are a shitload more Scottish players down there? Most of them aren't good enough to receive ANY press attention. Nobody writes articles on Alan Hutton, nobody writes anything about James Morrison (shame. he's a good player) and nobody has even heard of Russel Martin. These guys don't matter, nobody talks about them. Adam on the other hand was so immense for Blackpool, not just a great centre back or anything, an outstanding playmaker who was playing like fucking Riquelme in big games. The English press reaction, oooft this guy looks really good then oh shit he's Scottish, he'd get in our team on current form, and we don't have anyone like him (apart from Huddlestone who wasn't playing, and Scholes - nobody really noticed what was doing by this point) so they did everything they could to put him down. So Scottish player playing extravagantly well in EPL? Sheeeit, let's give POTY to Scotty Parker. And we all must make sure to call him Scotty Parker and wax lyrical about his 50s haircut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 My suspicions about Adam are that it's Matt Le Tissier syndrome. OK, a much much more talented player than Adam, but also one seen as a luxury, and who rightly or wrongly is/was seen as being slow, lazy and relying on less skilful players' endeavours to make them look good. I think that's often unfair. Certainly in Le Tissier's case, he gave a career to seasons worth of average Southampton water carriers. I doubt any of them resented him for it. Who has a problem with doing the hard yards, when you can give it to the guy "cheating" and watch him nutmeg two then smash it in the top corner. In the same way that Le Tissier was scandalously ignored internationally though, there is often a sneering backlash from people about luxury players though. And with both playing in poor teams (as Adam was with Blackpool) there will often be games where you are overrun and can't get a kick of the ball, which makes your luxury player look very poor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 The English press reaction, oooft this guy looks really good then oh shit he's Scottish, he'd get in our team on current form, There was never any point where Charlie Adam would have got into the English national team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Le Tissier :- A funny thing about your all-too-short England career is that every time you were picked there was a belief that the managers were hoping you'd do badly so that they wouldn't have to try figuring out how to fit you into the team again … Yeah, I'd like to think they weren't thinking like that but I can see how people might have thought they were. I think it has to do with the English mentality, we've always been wary of people with talent, we prefer people who are seen to work hard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 There was never any point where Charlie Adam would have got into the English national team. You're right, how on earth would someone like Adam get ahead of world beaters like Jay Bothroyd or Kevin Davies. Your last point ticks all the boxes for you, slags Adam whilst bigging up Le Tissier. You probably had an erection whilst writing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.