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I'd stick to worrying about the imminent death of your club, champ.

Ah, deflection.

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If Dunfermline go into voluntary admin tomorrow will they be deducted 25 points? Was a precedent set with Dundee or was that because it was their second time? 25 point deduction will drop you to bottom of the league. Not the biggest immediate concern I'd imagine but hardly helpful for ongoing viability...

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Ah, deflection.

Indeed. Your club on the brink of extinction and you'd rather talk about the cash-rich owner of Greenock Morton Football Club.

Wipe the tears and snotters off your keyboard in your own time.

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If Dunfermline go into voluntary admin tomorrow will they be deducted 25 points? Was a precedent set with Dundee or was that because it was their second time? 25 point deduction will drop you to bottom of the league. Not the biggest immediate concern I'd imagine but hardly helpful for ongoing viability...

The first time we went into administration it was in the SPL instead of the SFL and at the time was not deemed an offense. Therefore I don't imagine the SFL will take that into account.

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St Mirren sent a stack of begging letters and representations to the council to turn over the status of the land so it could be re-developed. You were reliant on the backing of the council to make the Tesco deal pass.

Not to the same extent as the banana republic operating in Grangemouth.

Sending letters and making representations is what democracy is all about. It was up to the council to make the final decision. No doubt the £1 million they gained from the deal helped them reach that decision.

Our situation was nothing like Falkirk's. Their deal cost the taxpayer £ millions. Our deal gained the taxpayer £1 million.

I've now seen St. Mirren win 2 major trophies while you've not even seen Morton play 1 season in the top flight. Read it and weep! :lol:

Piss Off Kilgallon

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If Dunfermline go into voluntary admin tomorrow will they be deducted 25 points? Was a precedent set with Dundee or was that because it was their second time? 25 point deduction will drop you to bottom of the league. Not the biggest immediate concern I'd imagine but hardly helpful for ongoing viability...

As far as I gather, every case is different and is decided by a panel if its SFL related

Dundee were given 25 pts deduction to start with I think and appealed and told to GTF.......

Livvy, I am guessing got relegated for going into admin......I personally think that was down to the tally owner tho being non co-operative and it being Livvy

Rangers one was delicate as they have different rules in the SPL...... ie they make it up as they go along

I lost the will to live in their case 2-3 weeks in, so I dont know if they were liquidated or just in administration and I still couldnt give a fuk whatever it is but they ended up in div 3

As I said earlier, I think these clubs who do end up in div 3 or even in the same division in these cases should suffer perhaps a 10 or 15 pts deduction for the next 3yr. I dont see why they should be able to wipe out debt so easy and come out the other end in a stronger position.

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As far as I gather, every case is different and is decided by a panel if its SFL related

Dundee were given 25 pts deduction to start with I think and appealed and told to GTF.......

Livvy, I am guessing got relegated for going into admin......I personally think that was down to the tally owner tho being non co-operative and it being Livvy

Rangers one was delicate as they have different rules in the SPL...... ie they make it up as they go along

I lost the will to live in their case 2-3 weeks in, so I dont know if they were liquidated or just in administration and I still couldnt give a fuk whatever it is but they ended up in div 3

As I said earlier, I think these clubs who do end up in div 3 or even in the same division in these cases should suffer perhaps a 10 or 15 pts deduction for the next 3yr. I dont see why they should be able to wipe out debt so easy and come out the other end in a stronger position.

Our appeal failed, but was actually a success in that the decision to punish us again if we failed to come out of Admin by the end of March was overturned. So the appeal did go some way in saving us despite failing on the obvious aspects of the points deduction and player embargo.

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Back in 1999/00, on the old First Division forum, I made numerous posts pointing out that Dunfermline's spending was unsubstainable. I was abused by virtually every single Dunfermline fan on the forum. Not a single Dunfermline fan agreed with me.

For a number of seasons after that I have continued to point out that Dunfermline's overspending was unsubstainable and would come back to bite them. I asked why no Dunfermline fans were questioning their board.

Virtually every single reply from a Dunfermline fan was abusive. Not a single Dunfermline fan has ever agreed with me. Not only was I abused - I was also told I was jealous, Dunfermline were a big club, etc.

I therefore have no sympathy for Dunfermline whatsoever. Their supporters deserve everything they get. They are no better than Rangers fans. They lapped up the "glory", buried their heads in the sand to what was really going on and abused anyone who dared point out the reality.

I read comments from the hopeless Paul Gallacher today asking why the SFA & SFL have sat back and done nothing. He is totally correct. I hope the SFA take Dunfermline to task and fine them heavily for not paying their tax. After all, as the panel said about Rangers - what Dunfermline have done is almost as bad as match fixing.

Dunfermline RIP - good riddance to bad rubbish.

My dancing shoes are ready and I will gleefully dance all over your rotten grave! :lol:

In the time it took to write this self-loving drivel you could just given yourself a w**k.

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I remember when we thought Masterton was a cash rich owner, those were the days.

Be sure to record that for the historians. Not me though, I couldn't give a toss.

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I was under the impression Dundee got the 25pts instead of the Livingston demotion treatment due to it being mid season. Its the least of our problems tbh...

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In the time it took to write this self-loving drivel you could just given yourself a w**k.

I thought you didn't like profanity?

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If Dunfermline go into voluntary admin tomorrow will they be deducted 25 points? Was a precedent set with Dundee or was that because it was their second time? 25 point deduction will drop you to bottom of the league. Not the biggest immediate concern I'd imagine but hardly helpful for ongoing viability...

I suspect Dunfermline may come in for quite a harsh penalty based on the fact that they have accumulated "football debts" through the season (players wages, ticket money to Aberdeen, Hamilton, Falkirk and Cowdenbeath, etc. AND THE SFA for their cut of the Scottish Cup tie). The SFL Board are likely to use this a stick to beat Dunfermline and use them as an example to other clubs.

The SFL Board may also want to be seen (by HMRC) to be punishing the club 'appropriately' for the on-going and consistent payment issues. Footballing bodies are under real pressure and it would be a chance for the SFL to show HMRC that they genuinely take non-payment of taxes by member football clubs seriously.

Given how close to the end of the season it is, the SFL Board won't really have a huge chance to muck about. Even if they chose to relegate Dunfermline for going into voluntary administration it will have to be decided before the play-off's as there must be some sort of knock-on impact.

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I still fear the worst today but.......

I really hope that if administration happens later today, that we accept whatever punishment the SFL give us without complaint.

I would also like to think that, even though a CVA may be agreed at some point in the future, some sort of group could be set-up to raise money for those local businesses who are shafted (GM excluded)

Living in a dream world I know but you can but hope......

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It is absolutely imperative that Dunfermline fulfil their fixtures this season. Completely not fair to the teams who have won hard fought points against them. Correct me if I'm wrong but Falkirk stand to lose the most in that situation which is poor given we've bent over backwards to help them this season on more than one occasion.


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It is absolutely imperative that Dunfermline fulfil their fixtures this season. Completely not fair to the teams who have won hard fought points against them. Correct me if I'm wrong but Falkirk stand to lose the most in that situation which is poor given we've bent over backwards to help them this season on more than one occasion.

Why is it imperative? Rovers have dropped ten points to a team which have failed to pay their wages. You could easily suggest the Pars have a squad they couldn't afford to keep. Rovers stand to go up to fourth if the Pars go bust. Not that I'd enjoy that. I'd far rather see them get shot of their c**t of an owner and live within their means.

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Why is it imperative? Rovers have dropped ten points to a team which have failed to pay their wages. You could easily suggest the Pars have a squad they couldn't afford to keep. Rovers stand to go up to fourth if the Pars go bust. Not that I'd enjoy that. I'd far rather see them get shot of their c**t of an owner and live within their means.

Aye, but Falkirk will lose out!

Edit: In all seriousness, I was being slightly tongue in cheek but when you break it down;

  • Dunfermline have fielded a team they couldn't afford all season
  • To fund this they have withheld ticket money from us (among others)
  • Despite this, Falkirk have gamely managed to overcome them and their superior squad and management team to the tune of two victories and a draw.
  • Dunfermline are now going to go bust, rendering that effort meaningless and plunging Falkirk into relegation danger at a time when our manager has now departed and the team is in total disarray on the pitch.

Understand that there's two ways of looking at things but there is nothing fair at all in the above situation that FFC would find themselves in.

Edited by Hughsie

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I dont know a single Pars fan who cares about possible administration punishments, still a million times better than oblivion...

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Aye, but Falkirk will lose out!

Edit: In all seriousness, I was being slightly tongue in cheek but when you break it down;

  • Dunfermline have fielded a team they couldn't afford all season
  • To fund this they have withheld ticket money from us (among others)
  • Despite this, Falkirk have gamely managed to overcome them and their superior squad and management team to the tune of two victories and a draw.
  • Dunfermline are now going to go bust, rendering that effort meaningless and plunging Falkirk into relegation danger at a time when our manager has now departed and the team is in total disarray on the pitch.

Understand that there's two ways of looking at things but there is nothing fair at all in the above situation that FFC would find themselves in.

Fair comment, despite my loyalties to RRFC!!

Wonder what the SFL will actually do , if anything, to balance out this total screw up?

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