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John Hughes should not be allowed a 'chance'. He's had that already, with significant backing, and failed miserably. The fans made it quite clear what they thought of him at the end of the game on Saturday.

His signings have been mostly horrendous, so I shudder to think of who he'd bring in were he given a summer window. He cannot be trusted to remain and I think he'd steer us to mid table pish before his inevitable sacking in October were he to stay. Plenty of players will be reluctant to sign for such a moron as well.

Suggestions that he should stay are laughable. It simply can't happen. The club are already facing a massive task selling season tickets for next year (with the prices almost certainly not reducing), but keeping on a manager that a sizeable number of said season ticket holder customer base serenaded with chants of a 'please leave' basis will see comically small numbers buy them. The atmosphere would be absolute poison at games. The club would be hammered by fans for everything seen as wrong with very little patience and tolerance. The club would be accorded no leeway and the divide between it and the fans will quickly widen.

It cannot be Hughes. It's the wrong decision on every level and would be massively harmful.

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2 hours ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Scottish football is an old pals network where everyone protects each other from directors to coaches to players to journalists. It's usually minor annoying stuff but you can definitely see how it could lead to more sinister shit getting swept under the carpet.

Even simple things like hearing reporters interviewing Hughes on Saturday and they're calling him "Yogi" and "mate" - it's just so unprofessional.

Just look at the Scottish Writers Story breaking today absolutely outrageous behaviour but being laughed off at the event as "good auld banter" poor that a handful of women left and the rest of the room just watched.

2 hours ago, Cardle is Magic said:

More than 48 hours later and we've heard absolutely nothing from the club. Just a ramble from Hughes post-match and a Dorrans interview where he looked like he couldn't give the slightest f**k.

Tbf I'm quite happy for important decisions not be be made in the heat of the moment although that happiness will soon erode into the fear if he isn't away by the end of the week. 

Ideally we would have someone confirmed to lead us next season to start the rebuild. I think the group stages of the cup start in July and preseason is normally what 4/5 weeks?

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2 minutes ago, 101 said:

Tbf I'm quite happy for important decisions not be be made in the heat of the moment although that happiness will soon erode into the fear if he isn't away by the end of the week.

It very much is relative though. Lolkirk finally installing a manager who if I'm not mistaken has won promotion from the third tier more than anybody else is a statement of intent. Kelty will absolutely not be resting on their Cove emulation plan either.

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3 minutes ago, Thumper said:

It very much is relative though. Lolkirk finally installing a manager who if I'm not mistaken has won promotion from the third tier more than anybody else is a statement of intent. Kelty will absolutely not be resting on their Cove emulation plan either.

Yeh needs to be a solid appointment with funds to build a competitive squad. Although I could see the price going up for a typical league 1 jobber as us Kelty, Falkirk and Queens scramble over anyone decent at this level.

 

 

 

Anyone who sponsored the P&B shirt give me a message I have went back through my bank statements and think I have got everyone but just incase I have missed anyone out.

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8 minutes ago, 101 said:

Yeh needs to be a solid appointment with funds to build a competitive squad. Although I could see the price going up for a typical league 1 jobber as us Kelty, Falkirk and Queens scramble over anyone decent at this level.

“funds” is the key here. Falkirk came down, spent to acquire a moderately well regarded manager, and assembled a team of players that, on paper, threatened to lock up the league by March. It turned out much differently, with COVID as the final nail in the coffin. With that little lesson close at hand, how willing will the investors be to plow in funds with Kelty willing to spend, QP also willing to spend if not promoted, Airdrie looking quite strong unless Murray departs if they miss promotion, Falkirk with less funds but a proven manager, and QoS with a little money to spend rebuilding too.

If you keep Yogi, DAFC season ticket sales will likely suffer quite a bit, if you punt him, where do the funds come from…perhaps the next year’s team budget? The decline in average attendance from the Championship to League One is pretty significant, somewhere in the 66% less range, and that’s with a reasonable cushion from ST sales, something that DAFC aren’t assured of, even if you punt Yogi. Can the Board keep up a good budget for 2022-2023 with ticket sales revenue down at least 30%, if not a more realistic 50+%?

You also have to watch for the Falkirk style trap of the wrong appointment causing a train-wreck over the next couple of seasons, if you punt Yogi…but he could do the same by staying too. It also might be an open question if DAFC is a more attractive position than Raith right now, but I suspect Raith’s reported parsimony might allow DAFC to get their man first, IF a they decide to act soon, and do have a decent budget.

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8 hours ago, Thumper said:

It very much is relative though. Lolkirk finally installing a manager who if I'm not mistaken has won promotion from the third tier more than anybody else is a statement of intent. Kelty will absolutely not be resting on their Cove emulation plan either.

Hasn't McGlynn only won promotion from the 3rd tier, twice? 

The season where Raith beat Ayr to the tittle (2009 ish?) and the Covid one a few years back. 

I cba checking to see how the managers stack up but Allan Johnston is at least level. 

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7 hours ago, TxRover said:

“funds” is the key here. Falkirk came down, spent to acquire a moderately well regarded manager, and assembled a team of players that, on paper, threatened to lock up the league by March. It turned out much differently, with COVID as the final nail in the coffin. With that little lesson close at hand, how willing will the investors be to plow in funds with Kelty willing to spend, QP also willing to spend if not promoted, Airdrie looking quite strong unless Murray departs if they miss promotion, Falkirk with less funds but a proven manager, and QoS with a little money to spend rebuilding too.

If you keep Yogi, DAFC season ticket sales will likely suffer quite a bit, if you punt him, where do the funds come from…perhaps the next year’s team budget? The decline in average attendance from the Championship to League One is pretty significant, somewhere in the 66% less range, and that’s with a reasonable cushion from ST sales, something that DAFC aren’t assured of, even if you punt Yogi. Can the Board keep up a good budget for 2022-2023 with ticket sales revenue down at least 30%, if not a more realistic 50+%?

You also have to watch for the Falkirk style trap of the wrong appointment causing a train-wreck over the next couple of seasons, if you punt Yogi…but he could do the same by staying too. It also might be an open question if DAFC is a more attractive position than Raith right now, but I suspect Raith’s reported parsimony might allow DAFC to get their man first, IF a they decide to act soon, and do have a decent budget.

I think you're spot on, well funded managers is no guarantee of success as no doubt Airdrie and Montrose have shown in L1 and Abroath and Inverness have shown in the championship.

I think you guys can take a bit more of a risk with your manager as has shown this season you can be absolutely useless for half the season and still beat the drop, so if you went for Berra or Brown and they turn out the be useless you could get someone else in and try and bounce out of trouble, however if they turn out to be decent then you could be on to coat tails of Dundee who I assume will be favourites.

If we f**k it up then it will be all to easy to become like Falkirk watching on at the top 4 race away from you with nothing you can do. Ian Murray is who would be my first choice, however I imagine he will also be high up Raiths wish list and probably on Dundee's radar and he would probably be more than happy to stay at Airdrie if they go up.

If we keep Yogi then I will fear for the worst mainly because he can't seem to get a tune out of the nest players, Wighton should be more than good enough to play on L1 but Yogi and him don't appear to get on. Yes the manager should be in charge but you can't have your ego ruining your chances as we have seen in the play offs.

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17 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Hasn't McGlynn only won promotion from the 3rd tier, twice? 

The season where Raith beat Ayr to the tittle (2009 ish?) and the Covid one a few years back. 

I cba checking to see how the managers stack up but Allan Johnston is at least level. 

I’m honestly not convinced we’d have even “won” the league had Covid stopped things a week later than it did. We were up to Peterhead away, where we had an appalling record, Falkirk were due to play at home and we’re only a point behind.

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I don't say this lightly when I say that John Hughes is the last full-time football manager you want managing you when you need to rebuild.  99% of the players he signs are fucking shite.  He's fine when he inherits a good team, which I think he's only done once since the left Falkirk in 2009.

Chairmen need to wake up and realise he's not the guy you want to hire when you've just sacked someone because your team is shite, he's the guy you hire when your manager has been poached for doing well and you have a good team.

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2 minutes ago, Enigma said:

I’m honestly not convinced we’d have even “won” the league had Covid stopped things a week later than it did. We were up to Peterhead away, where we had an appalling record, Falkirk were due to play at home and we’re only a point behind.

Meh, I was delighted to see it so I won't hear any doubts thank you. 

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58 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Hasn't McGlynn only won promotion from the 3rd tier, twice? 

The season where Raith beat Ayr to the tittle (2009 ish?) and the Covid one a few years back. 

I cba checking to see how the managers stack up but Allan Johnston is at least level. 

McCall has done this 4 times, Dick Campbell at least 3 times.

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On 07/05/2022 at 18:45, DAFC. said:

 


Oaft, your life must be utter shite then.

 

Wait, it's not just me who spends every Saturday night at home with a bottle of wine and a takeaway and the Falkirk thread on auto-refresh on the big telly, is it?

Going to go multi screen for next season and add in walking down the halbeath road 🐝

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Thank f**k Cook is coming in. I’d have absolutely no faith in the current setup to make any kind of inspired appointment (assuming Hughes is punted firmly out of KY12). It leaves us with some kind of hope that we’ll actually see some positive changes within the club soon.

How much power will he have in making those decisions?

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42 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said:

McCall has done this 4 times, Dick Campbell at least 3 times.

Dick Campbell did cross my mind, I could think of twice when he'd done it (Partick and Arbroath, was he at Brechin aswell?) 

That's some amount for McCall, the Ayr twice and yourselves I'd imagine? Can't think of the fourth. 

 

This was fun. 

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1 minute ago, Grant228 said:

Dick Campbell did cross my mind, I could think of twice when he'd done it (Partick and Arbroath, was he at Brechin aswell?) 

That's some amount for McCall, the Ayr twice and yourselves I'd imagine? Can't think of the fourth. 

 

This was fun. 

McCall also did it with Clydebank in the 90s- You're right re Campbell- won promotion to second tier with Brechin

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OOOFT, you spent part of your evening on a Pars thread scrolling back to July 
Classic wee team behaviour tbh.

OOOFT, I’m up to the end of August now and the tone has changed dramatically, amazing how things change in the space of a month
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OOOFT, I’m up to the end of August now and the tone has changed dramatically, amazing how things change in the space of a month
The writing was on the wall for a lot of us that early on. And the Hughes appointment didnt change all that much either
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OOOFT, I’m up to the end of August now and the tone has changed dramatically, amazing how things change in the space of a month
Weird wee guy.
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