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8 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Other than misty-eyed recollections about the 1980s, what practical ways will community engagement boost crowds?

Club has already tried giving away tickets to local school kids. It didn’t lead to any sustained or noticeable improvement in attendance figures.

I’m not even saying you’re wrong but what exactly should the club be doing that they’re not already? What would you like them to try?

You've got to make it as easy as possible for people to attend, if I was the club I would run a bus into town and a bus round Duloch free with a match ticket also put more on for the kids would be good to have like a young pars zone at the stadium.

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Winning football matches has the biggest influence on increasing crowds. Leishman had 3 promotions in 4 years. 

It's a different world we live in as well though. There's more recreational choice out there now. Working patterns are also different. Football used to be the standout choice for the working classes but football abandoned the working class around the end of the 90's.

In the Leishman days, you had 20,000 people either employed or indirectly employed at the dockyard. Folk working Monday to Friday(half day). Saturday afternoons were accessible to the masses and the price of football was affordable.

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Interesting to see Scott Banks will be used in the Crystal Palace first team next season, I wouldn't have thought he was anywhere near the desired physicality or skill level yet.

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15 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Other than misty-eyed recollections about the 1980s, what practical ways will community engagement boost crowds?

Club has already tried giving away tickets to local school kids. It didn’t lead to any sustained or noticeable improvement in attendance figures.

I’m not even saying you’re wrong but what exactly should the club be doing that they’re not already? What would you like them to try?

Far from misty eyed, that's how we all ended up following the pars. There is little point in giving away free tickets if the product is poor. potential new fans through the door and an exciting product on the pitch seemed to work in the past.

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6 minutes ago, Rammit Bawdeep said:

Far from misty eyed, that's how we all ended up following the pars. There is little point in giving away free tickets if the product is poor. potential new fans through the door and an exciting product on the pitch seemed to work in the past.

I’m sure it did but you can’t say that something that worked in the 1980s will automatically work in 2021.

I agree the club needs to work hard to attract kids and young adults to the games but we are long past the Leishman days.

I suggested we only needed an 8,000 capacity stadium because we’ve very rarely had a crowd bigger than that in the last 20 years.

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Alternatively you look at the pricing structure, it seems to be sustainable in Germany to have lower prices and full stadiums. I recall a game v Dundee utd which was on sky (or setanta) and the prices were dropped, ended up with a full house

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1 minute ago, Rammit Bawdeep said:

Alternatively you look at the pricing structure, it seems to be sustainable in Germany to have lower prices and full stadiums. I recall a game v Dundee utd which was on sky (or setanta) and the prices were dropped, ended up with a full house

You had season ticket holders locked out because it was literally like 2 quid to get in. Brilliant strategy from the club at that time. 

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26 minutes ago, Rammit Bawdeep said:

Alternatively you look at the pricing structure, it seems to be sustainable in Germany to have lower prices and full stadiums. I recall a game v Dundee utd which was on sky (or setanta) and the prices were dropped, ended up with a full house

I’d agree that £20 is far too much to be charging but the club will say if 2000 people pay that they get £40,000, while they’d need almost 700 extra fans to make the same amount if entry was £15.

Developing our younger players and selling them on to bigger clubs is definitely a good strategy, although it’s humbling for some people. I would guess the Academy and new training ground will be focused on us bringing through more of our own talent.

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30 minutes ago, Rammit Bawdeep said:

Alternatively you look at the pricing structure, it seems to be sustainable in Germany to have lower prices and full stadiums. I recall a game v Dundee utd which was on sky (or setanta) and the prices were dropped, ended up with a full house

As far as I can tell although @Stellaboz might d better placed to say but the VAT on German sports tickets is 7% compared to our 20% obviously not the reason why our tickets are £20 and decent level of German football is under a tenner.

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The 1980s were a different time. Terraces, unemployment, Levis, Harringtons and Sambas, McEwans lager, Tartan Special, Eldarado tonic wine, Thatcher, Boys from the blackstuff, shite blaw, Echo & the Bunneyman, Big Country, Wham, woman with big hair and white high heels, Night Magic, Bentley, fitbaw Casuals, Blackpool and Benidorm, Shaggy Jenkins, Mel Rennie, Woodrow and Mitchell's juice, big Leish, poems, shite tactics, Johnny Watsons ginger afro. 

Different times. 

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1 minute ago, Axle Grease said:

The 1980s were a different time. Terraces, unemployment, Levis, Harringtons and Sambas, McEwans lager, Tartan Special, Eldarado tonic wine, Thatcher, Boys from the blackstuff, shite blaw, Echo & the Bunneyman, Big Country, Wham, woman with big hair and white high heels, Night Magic, Bentley, fitbaw Casuals, Blackpool and Benidorm, Shaggy Jenkins, Mel Rennie, Woodrow and Mitchell's juice, big Leish, poems, shite tactics, Johnny Watsons ginger afro. 

Different times. 

Choose Life.

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The 1980s were a different time. Terraces, unemployment, Levis, Harringtons and Sambas, McEwans lager, Tartan Special, Eldarado tonic wine, Thatcher, Boys from the blackstuff, shite blaw, Echo & the Bunneyman, Big Country, Wham, woman with big hair and white high heels, Night Magic, Bentley, fitbaw Casuals, Blackpool and Benidorm, Shaggy Jenkins, Mel Rennie, Woodrow and Mitchell's juice, big Leish, poems, shite tactics, Johnny Watsons ginger afro. 
Different times. 
Stick that on a tea towel.
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There’s things the club can do to improve attendances, and we should work on those, but we are talking about a few hundred fans. If you could have 2 or 3 sold out 8000 crowds a season our board would be absolutely delighted.  We’ve sold out east end twice in my entire life, Once for promotion decider and the other for a friendly.  You can maybe add a handful of times where we’ve been 8000+ in that time.

the horse has bolted and we should keep our current capacity barring minor adjustments(for example we’ve lost the enclosure in front of the main stand due to hospitality expansion)   but any idea of leishman era crowds(which were a blip in our history, including during the historic high of the 60s)  is complete fantasy.

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St Johnstone have won 2 Scottish Cups, 1 League Cup, finished in top 6 multiple times and regularly competed in Europe and they *still* have trouble attracting new fans.

I don’t get why people think it will be any easier for us with a fraction of that success.

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The reality is we're well supported within our game and so is the Scottish game in general well supported. Which is remarkable given the amount of distractions there are nowadays for people regarding other leisure pursuits available to them. 

We'll see an increase in crowd numbers if we start to see success. The most important thing for our club is that we keep striving to succeed built on a long term strategy for sustained progress. Key elements in that are responsible financial management and development of a youth system, both things spoken about a lot recently. If we can get this right we might just emulate something like St Johnstone success, and crowds will increase. 

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10 hours ago, parsforlife said:

There’s things the club can do to improve attendances, and we should work on those, but we are talking about a few hundred fans. If you could have 2 or 3 sold out 8000 crowds a season our board would be absolutely delighted.  We’ve sold out east end twice in my entire life, Once for promotion decider and the other for a friendly.  You can maybe add a handful of times where we’ve been 8000+ in that time.

the horse has bolted and we should keep our current capacity barring minor adjustments(for example we’ve lost the enclosure in front of the main stand due to hospitality expansion)   but any idea of leishman era crowds(which were a blip in our history, including during the historic high of the 60s)  is complete fantasy.

AFAIK the top 10 attendances at rennovated EEP are all over 10,000.

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9 hours ago, Cardle is Magic said:

St Johnstone have won 2 Scottish Cups, 1 League Cup, finished in top 6 multiple times and regularly competed in Europe and they *still* have trouble attracting new fans.

I don’t get why people think it will be any easier for us with a fraction of that success.

All clubs are in the same boat as long as the old firm exist.  They only way to stop it is for lots of Celtic and Rangers fans to not have kids basically.  It sounds daft but boys in Dunfermline in their 20's and 30's who support Celtic or Rangers aren't going to bring their sons and daughters up to support the Pars.  Every town with an senior club in it is the same.

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19 hours ago, 101 said:

As far as I can tell although @Stellaboz might d better placed to say but the VAT on German sports tickets is 7% compared to our 20% obviously not the reason why our tickets are £20 and decent level of German football is under a tenner.

I've no idea about ticket prices in other parts of Germany but they're not that cheap around here. You might get a decent price on them if you're in the standing/ultra areas of some grounds but getting those tickets is almost impossible. 

However, you can at least drink a beer (before, during and after) and get decent scram everywhere you go.

Also, regional train travel is included in the price of an away ticket which is pretty decent. You don't get on the quicker IC trains but in normal times you can at least enjoy a beer for an away day for a couple of hours without buying a train ticket. 

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Back in 2019 I got a ticket for St Pauli vs Bochum for €10. Higher level of football than this tbh but if you dropped ticket prices I'm sure you wouldnt see the required uptake to make it worth while.In this country, the prices are only going one way.

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