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3 hours ago, parsforlife said:

Aye. I do kinda agree it’s a bit big, but I’m not entirely sure if we’d benefit that much from it a bit smaller.  Is st mirren park that good? Are there any c8000 grounds we’re that envious of?   I’d like a standing area( though that need has been reduced since admin, with their being a bit more casual approach ) and there’s bits that could be slightly improved in terms of toilets/food , but it kinda works on principle.

 

The toothpaste is out of the tube now and there’s nothing we can do about it but in hindsight we’d definitely have had a similar capacity to St Mirren.

It’s a brilliant stadium though and hopefully the new investors will give us the finance necessary to modernise and improve it.

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14 hours ago, Rob1885 said:

Got our timings way off to f**k silly money at it. Or probably shouldn't have done it at all emoji23.pngemoji23.png

Yep, you have to time it well. For example having County, United then Hearts in the league the last 3 seasons won’t have helped any other club. 17/18 was the last time you could go into a season with someone not already having won the league before a ball was kicked.

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Other than the Sunday evening game, which of the PL matches had a weird kick-off time?
Monday (and midweek games) starting at 6.00 pm? Then games after that not kicking off til 8.05 or later. And Saturday and Sunday 7.45 kick offs. So a decent chunk. If every game in our Premiership was shown live, they wouldn't be able to play at 3pm on Saturday so we'd have to go Fri night(?), Sat lunchtime, Sat night(?), Sun lunchtime, Sun afternoon, Sun night(?), Mon night(?) but with Champions League on Tuesday/Wednesday and Europa League and Conference League on Thursdays it becomes harder again to schedule games.
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52 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said:
On 30/07/2021 at 22:38, Cardle is Magic said:
Other than the Sunday evening game, which of the PL matches had a weird kick-off time?

Monday (and midweek games) starting at 6.00 pm? Then games after that not kicking off til 8.05 or later. And Saturday and Sunday 7.45 kick offs. So a decent chunk. If every game in our Premiership was shown live, they wouldn't be able to play at 3pm on Saturday so we'd have to go Fri night(?), Sat lunchtime, Sat night(?), Sun lunchtime, Sun afternoon, Sun night(?), Mon night(?) but with Champions League on Tuesday/Wednesday and Europa League and Conference League on Thursdays it becomes harder again to schedule games.

Yeah, I’d have zero problem with that if we had a TV deal to justify it.

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26 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Yeah, I’d have zero problem with that if we had a TV deal to justify it.

I’d hate it.

I know it might make the quality on the pitch a bit better. But that’s not worth it.  The things I love about scottish football would definitely be impacted by the removal of 3pm Saturday being standard.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

I’d hate it.

I know it might make the quality on the pitch a bit better. But that’s not worth it.  The things I love about scottish football would definitely be impacted by the removal of 3pm Saturday being standard.

Lower leagues would still be 3pm on a Saturday, so it’s not like we’d have to worry about it…

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Not been posting recently and won't be for a while (still read the forum occasionally), but wanted to comment on a couple of things.

Firstly, yesterday's performance was really poor and really concerning. Peter Grant was talking about challenging for the league. Not with those sort of performances we won't be. A very disappointing and disheartening start to the league season. We had an almost full squad and a decent bench. There are no excuses for turning in that sort of utter dross. Grant talks a good game, but he needs to back that up. 

Secondly, and more importantly, questions need to be asked of the club regarding finances. Last season will surely have seen a big loss due to income not being close to matching outgoings, for obvious reasons. Add to this the bad news about having to replace the floodlights, and it needs to be asked how the club are affording things like 2 year deals for Dorrans, especially when the club have said they are running behind on the season ticket budget. Perhaps the German investors have 'plugged the gap', but that's information we need to know. The club should not be in a position again where they are paying out more than they are getting in, and being behind on season ticket budget strongly implies that they are. I'm also concerned that they are surprised at the season ticket sales. To me, and others, it seemed pretty obvious that sales would be way down, due to the COVID situation and due to the appointment of Grant. Those who made the decision to appoint Grant should have been prepared for the consequences, and that they aren't suggests an alarming disconnect between them and the fanbase. Season ticket sales had been steadily falling before COVID anyway, and history shows that it is very hard to get those fans back; usually you don't.

I think the club need to answer questions about the finances, as there are glaring issues from the outside. That they had to rely on director loans very recently was alarming and, frankly, not acceptable. How is the club being funded now? How are they meeting the running costs and player and staff wages now? How is this floodlight replacement being funded? How is the gap from being behind on season ticket sales being funded? Without answers, there is only speculation.

I'm surprised that there haven't been more questions about this. Hopefully fans aren't getting complacent. 

 

A lighter end; this article was an absolutely lovely and moving read: https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=A_Once_A_Year_Love_with_Dunfermline_Athletic_Football_Club&ID=13252

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Not been posting recently and won't be for a while (still read the forum occasionally), but wanted to comment on a couple of things.
Firstly, yesterday's performance was really poor and really concerning. Peter Grant was talking about challenging for the league. Not with those sort of performances we won't be. A very disappointing and disheartening start to the league season. We had an almost full squad and a decent bench. There are no excuses for turning in that sort of utter dross. Grant talks a good game, but he needs to back that up. 
Secondly, and more importantly, questions need to be asked of the club regarding finances. Last season will surely have seen a big loss due to income not being close to matching outgoings, for obvious reasons. Add to this the bad news about having to replace the floodlights, and it needs to be asked how the club are affording things like 2 year deals for Dorrans, especially when the club have said they are running behind on the season ticket budget. Perhaps the German investors have 'plugged the gap', but that's information we need to know. The club should not be in a position again where they are paying out more than they are getting in, and being behind on season ticket budget strongly implies that they are. I'm also concerned that they are surprised at the season ticket sales. To me, and others, it seemed pretty obvious that sales would be way down, due to the COVID situation and due to the appointment of Grant. Those who made the decision to appoint Grant should have been prepared for the consequences, and that they aren't suggests an alarming disconnect between them and the fanbase. Season ticket sales had been steadily falling before COVID anyway, and history shows that it is very hard to get those fans back; usually you don't.
I think the club need to answer questions about the finances, as there are glaring issues from the outside. That they had to rely on director loans very recently was alarming and, frankly, not acceptable. How is the club being funded now? How are they meeting the running costs and player and staff wages now? How is this floodlight replacement being funded? How is the gap from being behind on season ticket sales being funded? Without answers, there is only speculation.
I'm surprised that there haven't been more questions about this. Hopefully fans aren't getting complacent. 
 
A lighter end; this article was an absolutely lovely and moving read: https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=A_Once_A_Year_Love_with_Dunfermline_Athletic_Football_Club&ID=13252
Never watched it yesterday so can't comment on the performance. I'm not going to jump the gun based on one result though and a notoriously difficult place for us to go.

Regarding your 2nd point, you've every right to raise those concerns. I'll never agree with the club in terms of the way they spend their money ever again I dont think.
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46 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Not been posting recently and won't be for a while (still read the forum occasionally), but wanted to comment on a couple of things.

Firstly, yesterday's performance was really poor and really concerning. Peter Grant was talking about challenging for the league. Not with those sort of performances we won't be. A very disappointing and disheartening start to the league season. We had an almost full squad and a decent bench. There are no excuses for turning in that sort of utter dross. Grant talks a good game, but he needs to back that up. 

Secondly, and more importantly, questions need to be asked of the club regarding finances. Last season will surely have seen a big loss due to income not being close to matching outgoings, for obvious reasons. Add to this the bad news about having to replace the floodlights, and it needs to be asked how the club are affording things like 2 year deals for Dorrans, especially when the club have said they are running behind on the season ticket budget. Perhaps the German investors have 'plugged the gap', but that's information we need to know. The club should not be in a position again where they are paying out more than they are getting in, and being behind on season ticket budget strongly implies that they are. I'm also concerned that they are surprised at the season ticket sales. To me, and others, it seemed pretty obvious that sales would be way down, due to the COVID situation and due to the appointment of Grant. Those who made the decision to appoint Grant should have been prepared for the consequences, and that they aren't suggests an alarming disconnect between them and the fanbase. Season ticket sales had been steadily falling before COVID anyway, and history shows that it is very hard to get those fans back; usually you don't.

I think the club need to answer questions about the finances, as there are glaring issues from the outside. That they had to rely on director loans very recently was alarming and, frankly, not acceptable. How is the club being funded now? How are they meeting the running costs and player and staff wages now? How is this floodlight replacement being funded? How is the gap from being behind on season ticket sales being funded? Without answers, there is only speculation.

I'm surprised that there haven't been more questions about this. Hopefully fans aren't getting complacent. 

 

A lighter end; this article was an absolutely lovely and moving read: https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=A_Once_A_Year_Love_with_Dunfermline_Athletic_Football_Club&ID=13252

Credit to you for being ever vigilant, it’s something we need to do as fans. 

I’m not sure on how our summer has gone, tho clearly the money needs to come from somewhere.  We did get some money towards the floodlights last year but I think that was for the initial work and not the underlying issues that have been uncovered. I do wonder if some of the expected rangers cash has been used to get the dorrans deal over the line.

I’m not that convinced last season would have been that bad for us TBH.  We had decent season ticket sales and prize money, etc wasn’t likely to take much of a drop.  The grant money received was rather generous and with other sources of money coming in that we wouldn’t normally get(James Anderson cash, furlough...) and some costs not occurring (stewards etc)

It’s going to be a bit difficult to track things over the next while,  losses are to be expected under the new ownership and it’s not going to be that easy to see how much they put in to cover them, and when you start to stray into dangerous territory.

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Secondly, and more importantly, questions need to be asked of the club regarding finances. Last season will surely have seen a big loss due to income not being close to matching outgoings, for obvious reasons. Add to this the bad news about having to replace the floodlights, and it needs to be asked how the club are affording things like 2 year deals for Dorrans, especially when the club have said they are running behind on the season ticket budget.


We got a significant sum of money for Kevin Nisbet last year, so I’d be surprised if there was a particularly significant financial loss. We made no secret of the fact we had all staff on furlough until football was back and we got an increase in prize money for finishing 4th (presumably this was budgeted for though). We also sold McManus for money this summer. It’s also worth noting that the German investors increased their share/investment early. The timings of which seem to have coincided with the bad news about the floodlights (as well as the training ground news). It’s very unlikely that the floodlights are being funded by our first team squad budget.
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Jeez people actually wanting a smaller stadium, nothing like being ambitious eh?

Remember that if we were in Prem this season we'd have games against Dundee, Dundee Utd, Hearts, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers 4 of which you'd expect to sell out their allocation which = cash.

Also, surely the population of Dunfermline has increased hugely in the last 10-20 years so crowds should be going up if anything...

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It seems a fitting time to have a chuckle at the fact that the North Stand was actually a temporary measure and was meant to be brought up to the same scale/sizing as the East and West stands eventually. 

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I don't see any reason why we cannot increase gate sizes dramatically if we continue with and extend community engagement whilst continuing to play attacking football. Grant was brought in for this reason, whilst it may not always go our way I would rather see us lose 3-2 as opposed to 1-0 with our strikers scoring goals. There are going to be bumps in the road but I have a feeling this is going to come good.

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1 hour ago, Fungi said:

Jeez people actually wanting a smaller stadium, nothing like being ambitious eh?

Remember that if we were in Prem this season we'd have games against Dundee, Dundee Utd, Hearts, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers 4 of which you'd expect to sell out their allocation which = cash.

Also, surely the population of Dunfermline has increased hugely in the last 10-20 years so crowds should be going up if anything...

When we were fighting for 3rd in the top flight and reaching a Scottish Cup Final in 03/04, our average attendance was 6200. This was in an SPL with Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee Utd, Dundee, Motherwell & Kilmarnock.

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24 minutes ago, Rammit Bawdeep said:

I don't see any reason why we cannot increase gate sizes dramatically if we continue with and extend community engagement whilst continuing to play attacking football. Grant was brought in for this reason, whilst it may not always go our way I would rather see us lose 3-2 as opposed to 1-0 with our strikers scoring goals. There are going to be bumps in the road but I have a feeling this is going to come good.

Why will crowds increase “dramatically” due to community engagement? What exactly does this entail?

I can also guarantee that most Pars fans won’t give a f**k how exciting the game was if we lose. I’d rather draw 0-0 in the most putrid game imaginable than lose a five-goal thriller.

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18 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Not been posting recently and won't be for a while (still read the forum occasionally), but wanted to comment on a couple of things.

Firstly, yesterday's performance was really poor and really concerning. Peter Grant was talking about challenging for the league. Not with those sort of performances we won't be. A very disappointing and disheartening start to the league season. We had an almost full squad and a decent bench. There are no excuses for turning in that sort of utter dross. Grant talks a good game, but he needs to back that up. 

Secondly, and more importantly, questions need to be asked of the club regarding finances. Last season will surely have seen a big loss due to income not being close to matching outgoings, for obvious reasons. Add to this the bad news about having to replace the floodlights, and it needs to be asked how the club are affording things like 2 year deals for Dorrans, especially when the club have said they are running behind on the season ticket budget. Perhaps the German investors have 'plugged the gap', but that's information we need to know. The club should not be in a position again where they are paying out more than they are getting in, and being behind on season ticket budget strongly implies that they are. I'm also concerned that they are surprised at the season ticket sales. To me, and others, it seemed pretty obvious that sales would be way down, due to the COVID situation and due to the appointment of Grant. Those who made the decision to appoint Grant should have been prepared for the consequences, and that they aren't suggests an alarming disconnect between them and the fanbase. Season ticket sales had been steadily falling before COVID anyway, and history shows that it is very hard to get those fans back; usually you don't.

I think the club need to answer questions about the finances, as there are glaring issues from the outside. That they had to rely on director loans very recently was alarming and, frankly, not acceptable. How is the club being funded now? How are they meeting the running costs and player and staff wages now? How is this floodlight replacement being funded? How is the gap from being behind on season ticket sales being funded? Without answers, there is only speculation.

I'm surprised that there haven't been more questions about this. Hopefully fans aren't getting complacent. 

 

A lighter end; this article was an absolutely lovely and moving read: https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=A_Once_A_Year_Love_with_Dunfermline_Athletic_Football_Club&ID=13252

Your points are valid, and one of the reasons I hope the supporters council can get back up and running when the Germans are properly in place.

But rest assured people aren't getting complacent we still have a rep from the Pars Supporters Trust on the board of the football club and 2 reps on the Pars United CIC board so fans are still examining the books. Also worth remembering that on top of any money we got from Kevin's deal we also get £500k from the Government.

But worth keeping the fundamental questions at the fore as obviously that's how it went tits up last time.

Hope you're doing okay as well.

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29 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Why will crowds increase “dramatically” due to community engagement? What exactly does this entail?

I can also guarantee that most Pars fans won’t give a f**k how exciting the game was if we lose. I’d rather draw 0-0 in the most putrid game imaginable than lose a five-goal thriller.

Kinda missing my point, I was quite clear that I would rather watch a decent performance and a 3-2 defeat than the crap we watched last year and a 1-0 defeat. 

I don't know how long you have followed the Pars but I got hooked not long after Leishman took over. He was never out the press, on the telly and the football was a bit of a roller-coaster to say the least but it was exciting. We got free tickets at the school and  I know another 10 or so guys who all got into the Pars about the same time and for the same reason, East End was an exciting place to go to and we felt part of something. Dunfermline continues to grow at a startling rate and there are lots of potential young fans out there.

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1 hour ago, Rammit Bawdeep said:

Kinda missing my point, I was quite clear that I would rather watch a decent performance and a 3-2 defeat than the crap we watched last year and a 1-0 defeat. 

I don't know how long you have followed the Pars but I got hooked not long after Leishman took over. He was never out the press, on the telly and the football was a bit of a roller-coaster to say the least but it was exciting. We got free tickets at the school and  I know another 10 or so guys who all got into the Pars about the same time and for the same reason, East End was an exciting place to go to and we felt part of something. Dunfermline continues to grow at a startling rate and there are lots of potential young fans out there.

Other than misty-eyed recollections about the 1980s, what practical ways will community engagement boost crowds?

Club has already tried giving away tickets to local school kids. It didn’t lead to any sustained or noticeable improvement in attendance figures.

I’m not even saying you’re wrong but what exactly should the club be doing that they’re not already? What would you like them to try?

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