Walking Down The Halbeath Road

[DA Baracus]

Just now, Chubbychops said:

You can still play football with somebody up top who has the strength and ability to hold the ball up the top end of the park and bring the flair players into the game in attacking areas. You seem to think a target man can only be 6,5 donkey that has balls lumped at his head all day. 

It's a style of play I'm not a fan of.

Anyway, I can't see a different striker somehow do that here. They'd be just as isolated as McManus and would have no support just like he has had (or not had). I actually think he's done well in winning the ball and trying to bring players in to the game but for whatever reason there often isn't support, or the ball is then recycled through the midfield side to side until someone either loses it or attempts a poor cross, as we've seen over the last lot of games.

McManus isn't the issue. He's also one of the top scorers in the league.

[whereismillar]

On 25/01/2021 at 09:52, VinnyPar said:

Highly rated by our athletic brothers in alloa

Pretty gutted about this , Banks is some talent, i was hoping we got him back on loan as his loan period was rather short with us due to covid 

so cue banks scoring against us and ripping us up next time we play  ...hate you all   i am now off to sulk forever .

[Chubbychops]

25 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

It's a style of play I'm not a fan of.

Anyway, I can't see a different striker somehow do that here. They'd be just as isolated as McManus and would have no support just like he has had (or not had). I actually think he's done well in winning the ball and trying to bring players in to the game but for whatever reason there often isn't support, or the ball is then recycled through the midfield side to side until someone either loses it or attempts a poor cross, as we've seen over the last lot of games.

McManus isn't the issue. He's also one of the top scorers in the league.

Yeah, he's got six goals but only two from open play. The three penalties certainly have put a shine on his record.

I disagree that he's done well winning the ball. Normally a bad first touch and ball is lost. He's not suited to playing with his back to goal imo.

[Rob1885]

Certainly from what I've seen of him, Mcmanus is best with a partner.

For Hearts, I'd be very tempted to bench both Dow and Thomas. Neither have been at it for weeks. Gives others an opportunity to start (fraser murray, o'hara, banks) and hopefully gives Dow and Thomas a rocket up the jacksie.

[Black and White Tragic]

Strange take, challenge cup has Irish and Welsh teams in it ffs

Okay, Challenge Cup edges it on that basis being a UK wide comp.

[parsforlife]

McManus does absolutely fine as a lone striker,  he wins a decent amount of high balls and wins free kicks(all be it he concedes some as well). Added in that he can run into channels and put full backs under pressure I’m not sure what else he could be expected to do.

Our attack holds up at that stage,  he gets the ball on halfway, brings others in and we actually do a not too bad job at putting a few passes together to get us towards the opponents box(tho could be a little quicker)   It’s once we do get near the box where we struggle.  Not putting decent crosses in and when we do often there’s only one player in there.  In the middle we are not creating pockets of space to allow someone to get a strike away. Hopefully banks will help with this.

[Rob1885]

Daily Record have us, Dundee Utd, St Johnstone and Raith as interested in Connor Shields from Queen of the South.

[DAFC.]

33 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

McManus does absolutely fine as a lone striker,  he wins a decent amount of high balls and wins free kicks(all be it he concedes some as well). Added in that he can run into channels and put full backs under pressure I’m not sure what else he could be expected to do.

Our attack holds up at that stage,  he gets the ball on halfway, brings others in and we actually do a not too bad job at putting a few passes together to get us towards the opponents box(tho could be a little quicker)   It’s once we do get near the box where we struggle.  Not putting decent crosses in and when we do often there’s only one player in there.  In the middle we are not creating pockets of space to allow someone to get a strike away. Hopefully banks will help with this.

When we first brought Dom Thomas in, we were hitting balls down the channel for him to do his magic and whip balls in for Nisbet to attack. Basic stuff, but I think we need to go back to that as that's what he and Dow are probably best for instead of bringing play inside to an already congested field. 

[parsforlife]

11 minutes ago, DAFC. said:

When we first brought Dom Thomas in, we were hitting balls down the channel for him to do his magic and whip balls in for Nisbet to attack. Basic stuff, but I think we need to go back to that as that's what he and Dow are probably best for instead of bringing play inside to an already congested field. 

They certainly need to stay wider.   I kinda like the freedom they have to come inside and link up,  but when they are both doing it all the time it’s a problem.

[Stellaboz]

Or swap em for a bit.

[VinnyPar]

20 hours ago, parsforlife said:

They certainly need to stay wider.   I kinda like the freedom they have to come inside and link up,  but when they are both doing it all the time it’s a problem.

If I'm not mistaken Dom's goal against hearts came from cutting in on the right, certainly worth a try as in recent games he doesn't even look like getting by his man on the left.

[Skyline Drifter]

30 minutes ago, VinnyPar said:

If I'm not mistaken Dom's goal against hearts came from cutting in on the right, certainly worth a try as in recent games he doesn't even look like getting by his man on the left.

We used him pretty much exclusively off the right in his two loan spells here. He was much better cutting in and shooting than he ever was at hitting the byeline and crossing from the other side on the odd occasion he swapped over.

[CallumPar]

Our next trip to Starks Park has been selected for TV. Now Friday 5th March at 19:45.

[Chubbychops]

1 hour ago, CallumPar said:

Our next trip to Starks Park has been selected for TV. Now Friday 5th March at 19:45.

No chance for them so fleece an extra 2 quid out of us this time.  The penny counters will not be happy with BBC

[HoBNob]

On 26/11/2020 at 01:05, Grant228 said:

St Mirren had a 33% sell on clause when they sold McGinn to Hibs.

Dykes got sold for 2m+ aswell (apparently) and Nisbet is one goal off matching his total from last season, good chance that if he goes it'll be for 2m+ I reckon. 

 

 

On 26/11/2020 at 09:27, Skyline Drifter said:

I wouldn't believe all the numbers you read in the papers.

John McGinn went to Hibs on a free transfer with the sell on clause being the main part of the deal and it's still incredibly unusual for it to be that high (if we assume the reported one third in that case was correct). NIsbet was sold for a large up front payment. Unless someone at Dunfermline has confirmed it publicly I'm enormously sceptical you will have anywhere near 30% on it.

McGinn went to Villa for £3m but that was with Villa competing with Celtic for his signature. To get those sort of offers you need two big clubs deciding they have to compete for it and there's less money in the game right now.

Good luck but it's optimistic to think you'll get anywhere near those sort of numbers. You'll make more money off him for sure though.

Optimistic we'll get anywhere near what numbers? 

 

[Chubbychops]

1 minute ago, Grant228 said:

 

Optimistic we'll get anywhere near what numbers? 

 

600k based on 30%

[Black and White Tragic]

Excellent news!

Our next trip to Starks Park has been selected for TV. Now Friday 5th March at 19:45.

[Skyline Drifter]

45 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

 

Optimistic we'll get anywhere near what numbers? 

 

He's done even better than I thought to be fair although I still think its unlikely you are gdtting 33% ond fees are usually inflated in the press.

I did say you would make more money off him and certainly into 6 figures looks very likely. Its come far quicker than I'd have thought too. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Skyline Drifter

[parsforlife]

6 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

He's done even better than I thought to be fair although I still think its unlikely you are gdtting 33% ond fees are usually inflated in the press.

I did say you would make more money off him and certainly into 6 figures looks very likely. Its come far quicker than I'd have thought too. 

Your forgetting the add ones were the only reason the deal got done.   The original fee wasn’t much different from last January, it took some heavy add ons to give us proper value.  Yes it’s not normal for so much of a sell on percent,  but with clubs not being as cash rich it isn’t too much of a jump that they would move to make deals more appealing by promising better fees to the selling club that would be payed when the purchasing club got future cash in.

[Rob1885]

Your forgetting the add ones were the only reason the deal got done.   The original fee wasn’t much different from last January, it took some heavy add ons to give us proper value.  Yes it’s not normal for so much of a sell on percent,  but with clubs not being as cash rich it isn’t too much of a jump that they would move to make deals more appealing by promising better fees to the selling club that would be payed when the purchasing club got future cash in.

The fee we got for him in the summer was quite a bit less than was offered in January. I understand why people are sceptical of how high the add ons could equate to but it really was imperative in making the deal happen.