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Just listened to the interview with Ross. As always, comes across passionately, as transparent as possible and intelligently. Probably mentioned it before but was lucky enough to get the opportunity to talk to him a few years ago one to one about the whole administration saga and knew then this was a man who has all the experience necessary to steer us in the right direction. I'm hoping he stays on, at least in some capacity? Maybe as some kind of supervisory board member? 

On another note, didn't know we had a sell on clause for Jackson Longridge. 559026.jpg?b64lines=Tm93IEphY2tzb24sIHlvdSBiZXR0ZXIgZ2V0CnJlYWwgZ29vZCByZWFsIGZhc3Qgb3IgUE9XIQ==

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Ross McArthur was practically giddy in that interview. Even though he said there's not to be dramatic changes to player wages or anything like that he did confirm that this investment did allow the flurry of 2 year deals and O'Hara's 3 year deal early in the summer.

I'm not sure I agree that the club hit the ceiling for the fan owned model on the pitch, possibly in the background developing and maintaining revenue streams that we're not privy to.

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45 minutes ago, ShaggysBeard said:

Ross McArthur was practically giddy in that interview. Even though he said there's not to be dramatic changes to player wages or anything like that he did confirm that this investment did allow the flurry of 2 year deals and O'Hara's 3 year deal early in the summer.

I'm not sure I agree that the club hit the ceiling for the fan owned model on the pitch, possibly in the background developing and maintaining revenue streams that we're not privy to.

I took the ceiling comments to mean that the club can't invest in things like training facilities and a youth academy, as well as only being able to offer 1 or 2 years deals. 

Also I think the model is severely tested when a manager needs the boot. Folk can talk pish about managerial appointments all they want but the facts show that the majority will have to be punted at some point, even if they were successful before. It's rare to be able to come to the end of a manager's contract and be able to not renew. Fan pressure dictates that more than anything. Folk can say we were in that position with Johnston, but fan pressure was for him staying on. Think back at our managers over the last 30 years. 

Reserves for such a thing probably should he part of any funding model but then there would most likely be some folk demanding the use of those funds for players. 

I don't think the ceiling of the model means we can never gain promotion. I think the implication is that doing so is more difficult. 

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17 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I took the ceiling comments to mean that the club can't invest in things like training facilities and a youth academy, as well as only being able to offer 1 or 2 years deals. 

Also I think the model is severely tested when a manager needs the boot. Folk can talk pish about managerial appointments all they want but the facts show that the majority will have to be punted at some point, even if they were successful before. It's rare to be able to come to the end of a manager's contract and be able to not renew. Fan pressure dictates that more than anything. Folk can say we were in that position with Johnston, but fan pressure was for him staying on. Think back at our managers over the last 30 years. 

Reserves for such a thing probably should he part of any funding model but then there would most likely be some folk demanding the use of those funds for players. 

I don't think the ceiling of the model means we can never gain promotion. I think the implication is that doing so is more difficult. 

Pretty much everything is more difficult with a fan owned model. That's a fact. Good and bad. The biggest advantage of a fan owned model, and Dunfermline had a really good one that probably worked as well as anyone has (not sure about Motherwell, I don't count Hearts as 'fan owned' in reality no matter what they claim), is that it's generally far less likely that one complete shyster a la Massone, Mileson, Ron Dixon, Hugh Scott, etc takes control of a club and runs it into the ground. The biggest disadvantage is probably the inability to source decent outside investment with people regularly running things who have no great personal wealth to stand personal guarantors or insert funds themselves, then when you get a long spell of inclement weather or a global pandemic you have a real problem meeting ongoing commitments (make no mistake if the Govt had not stepped in to cover wages for about 6 months, most of the clubs in Scotland would probably have gone under).

Depending on how they run it can be difficult to get a consensus on anything and it usually degenerates into some form of infighting.

A club of Dunfermline's size could, and possibly should, be capable of making the top 12 with a working form of fan ownership (which they clearly had) but it's more difficult to take the sort of risk decision that might sometimes be needed.

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35 minutes ago, Rob1885 said:

Wee bit more salt in the wound to the lads who never got furlough extended.

I would agree but with the caveat that any potential 'penalty' down the road wouldn't automatically be covered by new investment. It could have been right enough. I don't know either way.

Would still have liked to have seen the guys get furlough extended though and feel that new investment should have budgeted for any potential penalty (assuming it wouldn't be a silly one).

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6 hours ago, DAFC. said:

Don't think we'll be getting rid of a full squad and replacing them with Fussbal-playing diddies from the 6th tier of Germany tbh. 

Having just listened to your chairman’s interview 6th tier non league German diddies is exactly what you  will be looking at.
 

Really does reek of Anelka all over again, you have been warned!

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11 minutes ago, spot on said:

Having just listened to your chairman’s interview 6th tier non league German diddies is exactly what you  will be looking at.
 

Really does reek of Anelka all over again, you have been warned!

So you hope anyway. Typical bitter wee team attitute.

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I have  never said anywhere that is what I hoped. Quite the opposite actually I wouldn’t even wish all that on you boys, which is saying something,  having seen what happened at Raith and what it did to the club It almost killed us off and we have still  never really recovered fully from it yet.
I just think when it’s sounds too good to be true it normally is. Can’t believe that your board are considering selling more or less lock stock and barrel  including the ground. 

your chairman appears very excited about it and speaks well of a German football and how great everything about Germany is. This doesn’t mean though just because the new guys are German that they will all bring the best of Germany with them. Other than one of them having a connection with running St Pauli what have they done in German football that makes them so great? One was a tennis player ffs.

Seriously all that is being said now and all the same promises were spouted previously by Anelka, the players, the investment, the contacts, the future etc etc, etc 

You have to ask the question why would a team of Germans with no connection to the club or country  invest / sorry donate  large sums of money,  during a world wide pandemic, which they will get no return on as no one  out with Celtic make money, in Scottish football. 
 

Good luck though but you better pray this is all genuine as if not....

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I've never heard anything about the German 6th tier with regards to this subject. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the regional (4th tier) sides would skoosh all over our Championship to be honest. 

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46 minutes ago, spot on said:

Having just listened to your chairman’s interview 6th tier non league German diddies is exactly what you  will be looking at.
 

Really does reek of Anelka all over again, you have been warned!

I remember when folk used to put a bit of effort in to trolling.

You're lazy man. Up your game.

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The investors have said they view the championship as between the regional leagues and the 3rd league in Germany.  So if their going to be bringing over players it will be from that level I’d imagine.

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6 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

The investors have said they view the championship as between the regional leagues and the 3rd league in Germany.

Team Location Stadium Capacity
Dynamo Dresden Dresden Rudolf-Harbig-Stadion 32,066
MSV Duisburg Duisburg Schauinsland-Reisen-Arena 31,500
Hallescher FC Halle Erdgas Sportpark 15,057
FC Ingolstadt Ingolstadt Audi Sportpark 15,000
1. FC Kaiserslautern Kaiserslautern Fritz-Walter-Stadion 49,780
Viktoria Köln Cologne Sportpark Höhenberg 10,001
VfB Lübeck Lübeck Stadion Lohmühle 17,849
1. FC Magdeburg Magdeburg MDCC-Arena 27,500
Waldhof Mannheim Mannheim Carl-Benz-Stadion 25,667
SV Meppen Meppen Hänsch-Arena 16,500
1860 Munich Munich Grünwalder Stadion 15,000
Bayern Munich II Munich Grünwalder Stadion 15,000
Türkgücü München Munich Olympiastadion
Grünwalder Stadion
69,250
15,000
Hansa Rostock Rostock Ostseestadion 29,000
1. FC Saarbrücken Saarbrücken Ludwigsparkstadion 16,003
KFC Uerdingen Düsseldorf Merkur Spiel-Arena 54,600
SpVgg Unterhaching Unterhaching Sportpark Unterhaching 15,053
SC Verl Paderborn Benteler-Arena 15,000
Wehen Wiesbaden Wiesbaden BRITA-Arena 12,250
FSV Zwickau Z

 

That's next years league 3 in Germany. Some very big clubs in there.

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2 hours ago, spot on said:

Having just listened to your chairman’s interview 6th tier non league German diddies is exactly what you  will be looking at.

Lol wot? He mentions that the jump between the regional leagues, and tier 3 is a big one so you have allot of players in limbo. It'd be those ones too good for the regionals, but not getting picked up by the bigger sides we'd hope to exploit. 

Considering your summer business has seen you go through the 6th tier of English football... 

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Lol wot? He mentions that the jump between the regional leagues, and tier 3 is a big one so you have allot of players in limbo. It'd be those ones too good for the regionals, but not getting picked up by the bigger sides we'd hope to exploit. 
Considering your summer business has seen you go through the 6th tier of English football... 
With that potential calibre of player, you'd be absolutely laughing. Whether or not they could adapt to the scottish game is another matter but technically they're miles ahead of our standard.

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This has the potential to go very wrong. Outside investment from people who know nothing about your club, the league etc and they are willing to put money in but they will expect to get money back. One of 2 things will happen, they will use your club to bring over players and put them in the shop window, DAFC will not receive any transfer but your German investors will or EEP will be sold for development. Be very careful big promises which may never come to fruition look at Dundee apparently on the brink again and still playing at Dens.

 

 

 

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