DA Baracus Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Don't think anyone's said that though? You said McPake relegated Dundee. Folk said that actually McGhee relegated Dundee. As far as I've seen, nobody has said that McPake bears no responsibility for their ultimate position or that he would have definitely kept them up. The fact that he might have, no matter how unlikely that was and that he wasn't there when Dundee were confirmed as finishing 12th means he didn't technically relegate them. Don't think that's too controversial a statement. Did Steven Gerrard get Rangers to the Europa League final? After all, it was he who got them into Europe in the first place and who built most of the squad... McGhee definitely deserves some blame as well, but, like the Dundee fans who have posted (and who saw all of their games) said, McPake is mostly to blame. McPake signed the squad and saw to their poor points total and form up until he left. McGhee was rank too but he couldn't make any signings. He had a similar win rate in the number of games he oversaw as McPake did in the same number of games previously. Peter Grant didn't technically relegate us last season but he must take some of the blame, especially since he signed so many rank players. Gerrard certainly deserves credit for getting Sevco there but didn't get them to the final. That's a bit different though as it's a knockout format after the group. I don't see what I've posted as being unreasonable, yet somehow it's been enough to have been deemed 'a total nightmare' and for a poster to put me on ignore. Some Dundee fans, who have a far better perspective on it than me or other Pars fans, have said they agree with what I said. Are they being unreasonable? Have they had 'a total nightmare'? Also, I'll reiterate that I hope McPake does well. 19 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: Needing some distraction from work but also I don't agree that he relegated Dundee as if he single handedly did that. Hyperbole all over the shop today. I'm also close to putting you on ignore, c**t. I never said he single handedly relegated them. Edited May 31, 2022 by DA Baracus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Fight, film it. Post it on here. Pair of virgins No chance. PPV only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 McPake isn't your ideal choice as manager, got it. You'd rather we had kept your mate Yogi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Would take Foz purely for the chance to see Amy McD in a Pars shirt. Don’t necessarily want to see him in one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_no_1 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Folk who disagree with each other on the internet.........well I never. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoo61 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Christ no, not Foster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 hours ago, RRFC_Liam said: So Benedictus has a choice between Us, You and Falkirk, all I know is Murray has been talking to Bene about what he plans to do next stay or go, I wouldn’t be against him leaving became a liability the last few season, but also wouldn’t mind him staying as were short on the CHs. obviously there’s link between him and McPake I’m sure they played together at Dundee but need to wait and see what’s happens I don’t see us signing Benedictus at the moment we have Henderson and Donaldson signed up with Brad McKay still at the the club and Watson coming back from injury I can only see us going for a younger back up on loan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smpar Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I absolutely do not want Foster at the club. He’s finished, had a stinker last season from what I saw. He seems like a right fanny too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 hours ago, Rob1885 said: Heard Moyo, Richard Foster and Benedictus are signings we're keen to make. Christ no thank you. 6 hours ago, DAFC. said: Benedictus more than good enough as a centre-half at our level. He'd be a good signing IMO. Is he though? Seemed shite at Raith for large parts tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Benedictus would be absolutely fine in League One for the next year. He's on the borderline as a top half Championship player, hence the discussion around him potentially leaving the Rovers, but he's by no means being bombed out. I suspect he will stay at the Rovers, but if he doesn't, he'd be a perfectly good pick for anyone planning on winning League One. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brashy's Boots Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Is he though? Seemed shite at Raith for large parts tbh. He was a shadow of his former self for a large part of last season but came good again towards the end. In a league above yours. He'd be like Franz Beckenauer for you in L1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Against The Machine said: Benedictus would be absolutely fine in League One for the next year. He's on the borderline as a top half Championship player, hence the discussion around him potentially leaving the Rovers, but he's by no means being bombed out. I suspect he will stay at the Rovers, but if he doesn't, he'd be a perfectly good pick for anyone planning on winning League One. 3 hours ago, Brashy's Boots said: 6 hours ago, Grant228 said: Is he though? Seemed shite at Raith for large parts tbh. He was a shadow of his former self for a large part of last season but came good again towards the end. In a league above yours. He'd be like Franz Beckenauer for you in L1. He’s almost certainly headed for League One in my opinion. He looked out of his depth a bit too often in the Championship until after Christmas, when he seemed to revive. No problem in League One, but he’ll want a starting role, which Is why I suspect he’ll be leaving Raith. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Brashy's Boots said: 10 hours ago, Grant228 said: Is he though? Seemed shite at Raith for large parts tbh. He was a shadow of his former self for a large part of last season but came good again towards the end. In a league above yours. He'd be like Franz Beckenauer for you in L1. Nah, you just need to ask Falkirk how it is signing players who look gubbins in the Championship but "would stroll" league one. They're usually just not very good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Grant228 said: Nah, you just need to ask Falkirk how it is signing players who look gubbins in the Championship but "would stroll" league one. They're usually just not very good. Would agree with you on this - particularly in this instance. Dropping a level isn't going to make Benedictus' issues less apparent. It's not a lack of ability, per se - it's that he drops total clangers with alarming regularity. That isn't going to go away because the quality of forwards in league 1 is a bit less. It's consistency and concentration that generally does for him. Others will have pointed out that he can stroll through a game like a colossus for 60 minutes and then just completely shit the bed, whether it's getting utterly lost under a simple high ball, or steaming into a pointless red card challenge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoo61 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 He's sounds very Dunfermline Athletic to me. We need at least one bit of nonsense at the back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 He's sounds very Dunfermline Athletic to me. We need at least one bit of nonsense at the back. One no-nonsense centre half with one some-nonsense centre half. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 What's Mvoto up to? Or Gaspuitus? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoo61 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: What's Mvoto up to? Or Gaspuitus? Vytas is walking round in circles cause he only has one foot. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: What's Mvoto up to? Or Gaspuitus? JYM should never have been let go. Miss him, would header just granny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I'm not having a nightmare here at all. Is the Dundee fan also having a nightmare? He stated McPake is at least 80% to blame. Once again, 5 wins in 26 league games was McPake's record. In what way does that mean he bears no responsibility for Dundee's relegation? McGhee had the opportunity to turn it around so must also take some of the blame, but he had no opportunity to make signings and was taking over a team in desperately poor form who were only heading in one direction.They won their last two games before he was sacked and weren't even bottom of the league at that point. They got substantially worse once McGhee arrived. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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