Guest Axle Grease Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Petrie is in a settled job. Forget him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Axle Grease said: Petrie is in a settled job. Forget him. No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumPar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Personally, I’d be happy to see how Petrie does, if he was given the job, but I’m not convinced we should be making him any sort of top target. He has no experience with a full time club and I think we need someone that has that experience, rather than taking such a gamble. A lot of managers are well suited to part time/smaller clubs and can’t cope with that step up. We can’t really afford to be sitting here in a year’s time, having not progressed from where we are.If we don’t hear anything in the next few days, it’s probably safe to assume that Crawford is staying. If that happens, I don’t know how they’re going to market the season tickets for next year. I know a lot of season ticket holders who lost interest this year and may not renew, without any reason to believe that there will be improvements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Experience of managing a full time club is no guarantee of anything. The risk/gamble is just as much as with a manager who hasn't managed at a full-time club before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Experience of managing a full time club is no guarantee of anything. The risk/gamble is just as much as with a manager who hasn't managed at a full-time club before. This. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith_Raver Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Experience of managing a full time club is no guarantee of anything. The risk/gamble is just as much as with a manager who hasn't managed at a full-time club before. Agreed. Why should only part time experience be a problem - you'd think it would be the opposite; if Petrie can produce the goods on the pitch with a part time team you'd think he could do even better working with a full time squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Maybe, it's a risk I'd personally not like to see us take though. Yes, every appointment is but I'd hope we cast our net further than going after one man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_no_1 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Open the role to any/all applicants & see who applies. There's a lot of good football people out of work just now. Despite what some people think, we are an attractive proposition. The set up is there, the fan base is there and there are investors on board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 42 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Experience of managing a full time club is no guarantee of anything. The risk/gamble is just as much as with a manager who hasn't managed at a full-time club before. 25 minutes ago, DAFC. said: This. 24 minutes ago, Raith_Raver said: Agreed. Why should only part time experience be a problem - you'd think it would be the opposite; if Petrie can produce the goods on the pitch with a part time team you'd think he could do even better working with a full time squad. That logic doesn't work, Dick Campbell has done a fantastic job at Arbroath was a part time manager, surely if he was manager of Man City or Celtic he'd absolutely skoosh it? It absolutely is a factor, as proven by managers that do well as part time managers but then don't produce the goods at full time level, likewise some managers have a preferred skillet and tactics that work well at certain levels, see AJ for a managers who's brand of football absolutely skooshes league 1, and doesn't do well at championship level. Every manager in every sector of any business has a ceiling, to say "Oh he's good at that low level, he must be amazing at a higher one" ie absolutely nonsense, you don't see Janet, 25 running her own business on Facebook getting touted as the next ceo of amazon do you? How about we advertise the job, see who applies, weigh up the pros and cons of them all and appoint the best one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 It would also depend on what sort of footballing structure the board are after. Whether it be a manager or a DoF working in tandem with a head coach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Grant228 said: That logic doesn't work, Dick Campbell has done a fantastic job at Arbroath was a part time manager, surely if he was manager of Man City or Celtic he'd absolutely skoosh it? It absolutely is a factor, as proven by managers that do well as part time managers but then don't produce the goods at full time level, likewise some managers have a preferred skillet and tactics that work well at certain levels, see AJ for a managers who's brand of football absolutely skooshes league 1, and doesn't do well at championship level. Every manager in every sector of any business has a ceiling, to say "Oh he's good at that low level, he must be amazing at a higher one" ie absolutely nonsense, you don't see Janet, 25 running her own business on Facebook getting touted as the next ceo of amazon do you? How about we advertise the job, see who applies, weigh up the pros and cons of them all and appoint the best one? Jim McIntyre: No full time managing experience, did a good job save for his last year John Potter: No full time experience, was absolutely atrocious Stephen Kenny: Full time experienced, dreadful Davie Hay: Full time experience, abysmal Jim Leishman: Full time experience, didn't work Bert Paton: No full time experience as a number 1, tremendous Dick Campbell: No full time experience as a number 1, didn't work Jimmy Nicholl: Full time experience, didn't work Jimmy Calderwood: Full time experience, very good That's the point I was making, i.e. there's no guarantee that having experience of being a manager full time means they will be better than one who doesn't, just like there is no guarantee that a manager at a part time club will be a failure at a full time one or a success at one. Edited May 10, 2021 by DA Baracus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saline Hill Puma Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) Petrie imo would be a decent appointment but i doubt he will leave part time football due to having a decent job outwith the game I feel the board are going to keep Crawford and see how we get on next season, which means it will be another year of boring football and long Scottish cup run of 1 game Edited May 10, 2021 by The Saline Hill Puma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Jim McIntyre: No full time managing experience, did a good job save for his last year John Potter: No full time experience, was absolutely atrocious Stephen Kenny: Full time experienced, dreadful Davie Hay: Full time experience, abysmal Jim Leishman: Full time experience, didn't work Bert Paton: No full time experience as a number 1, tremendous Dick Campbell: No full time experience as a number 1, didn't work Jimmy Nicholl: Full time experience, didn't work Jimmy Calderwood: Full time experience, very good That's the point I was making, i.e. there's no guarantee that having experience of being a manager full time means they will be better than one who doesn't, just like there is no guarantee that a manager at a part time club will be a failure at a full time one or a success at one. Sorry, when did Jimmy Nicholl not work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob1885 said: 16 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Jim McIntyre: No full time managing experience, did a good job save for his last year John Potter: No full time experience, was absolutely atrocious Stephen Kenny: Full time experienced, dreadful Davie Hay: Full time experience, abysmal Jim Leishman: Full time experience, didn't work Bert Paton: No full time experience as a number 1, tremendous Dick Campbell: No full time experience as a number 1, didn't work Jimmy Nicholl: Full time experience, didn't work Jimmy Calderwood: Full time experience, very good That's the point I was making, i.e. there's no guarantee that having experience of being a manager full time means they will be better than one who doesn't, just like there is no guarantee that a manager at a part time club will be a failure at a full time one or a success at one. Sorry, when did Jimmy Nicholl not work? 1999, but having just checked it wasn't even a month, so unfair to have him here! I thought it was longer for some reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Jim McIntyre: No full time managing experience, did a good job save for his last year John Potter: No full time experience, was absolutely atrocious Stephen Kenny: Full time experienced, dreadful Davie Hay: Full time experience, abysmal Jim Leishman: Full time experience, didn't work Bert Paton: No full time experience as a number 1, tremendous Dick Campbell: No full time experience as a number 1, didn't work Jimmy Nicholl: Full time experience, didn't work Jimmy Calderwood: Full time experience, very good That's the point I was making, i.e. there's no guarantee that having experience of being a manager full time means they will be better than one who doesn't, just like there is no guarantee that a manager at a part time club will be a failure at a full time one or a success at one. With a few of those you're saying as having no full time experience, they'd been playing for, or been at a club which was full time, whereas with Petrie he's been in part time football for a decade, Kenny was part time at Derry was he not? It's not a guarantor of success, far from it. However Petries lack of experience managing at a full time level is a mark against him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1999, but having just checked it wasn't even a month, so unfair to have him here! I thought it was longer for some reason.He was undefeated ffs! I remember a lot of shouts for him to get the job and I think he'd have done really well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumPar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Jim McIntyre: No full time managing experience, did a good job save for his last year John Potter: No full time experience, was absolutely atrocious Stephen Kenny: Full time experienced, dreadful Davie Hay: Full time experience, abysmal Jim Leishman: Full time experience, didn't work Bert Paton: No full time experience as a number 1, tremendous Dick Campbell: No full time experience as a number 1, didn't work Jimmy Nicholl: Full time experience, didn't work Jimmy Calderwood: Full time experience, very good That's the point I was making, i.e. there's no guarantee that having experience of being a manager full time means they will be better than one who doesn't, just like there is no guarantee that a manager at a part time club will be a failure at a full time one or a success at one. Nobody said that bringing someone from full time football was guaranteed to be better than anyone without full time experience. There is definitely an added risk with making your top target a man who has never coached/managed in full time football though.I agree with your point, no appointment is guaranteed success and they all come with risk. But, as far as I can see, nobody ever said otherwise. I still think it would be incredibly naive to make Petrie a top candidate, or to have anyone in mind without opening up for applications and seeing who might want the job. If Petrie is deemed the top candidate after a recruitment process, I will 100% back that. But I disagree with the people who seem to believe he should be offered the job, based on what he has done with a part time club in league 1. This would be a very different task and without an application/interview, it’s impossible to know whether he would be particularly keen and, if he is, what his vision/ideas for the club would be. Some people thrive at managing underdogs and can’t cope with the pressure of managing a team who are expected to win most weeks. There are countless examples of this. However, there are many examples of managers who have made similar steps and thrived. The main point I’ve tried to make is that it would be ridiculously naive to go out and try and headhunt Petrie, without knowing who else would be interested and/or may have better ideas/vision for the club. Every managerial appointment is a gamble. To appoint someone, or target a particular manager before a formal application/interview process makes the gamble even bigger. To do that for a manager with no experience at this level, or experience managing full time players, would be mental. We need to learn from the mistake of the Crawford appointment, not potentially repeat it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Can open the job up to applicants whilst still having a number 1 target in mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrpar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Our German investors have the option to increase their shareholding to that of controlling interest over the next 12 months. They will therefore have a major influence on any decision. Our Board wont wish to do anything that jeopardises that investment. Our form over the last 5-6 months has been more akin to relegation threatened rather than winning promotion. Over that period we have delivered some of the most wretched performances I can remember in 5 decades of watching the Pars. That wont have gone un-noticed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 As long as we get the right guy, then the process doesn't concern me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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