parsforlife Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: What type of CH is Lee Ashcroft exactly? Is he a ball-playing type, a dominant in the air/old style CH - What's his strengths and weaknesses? I've noted before that some of you have said he's not really a 'leader' type, is that accurate? . Old school. Best suited to being an outright stopper. Not going to carry the ball out of defence spray passes about The leadership comments, he definitely struggled as captain, finding it difficult to find the balance between helping out/instructing team mates and concentrating on his own game. There is also a notable difference in his performances depending on how much he can trust his partner. That said you can see why he was made captain, he’s vocal and demands high standards but he didn’t seem to have found a way of effectively using that. Edited July 22, 2020 by parsforlife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Never known a centre half to let the ball bounce as much as he does. Found it infuriating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 58 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: We're still linked but we've got defenders like that ten a penny. Jordan McGhee - Cracking CH, but slightly small in stature. Even better when someone is leading him through. Jordon Forster - Big dumpling of a CH that is a potential beast at this level as he slowly started to look when he had Berra telling him exactly what to do and when to do it. If we sign Ashcroft it sounds like he'll be another very competent CH at this level but still be the blind leading the blind. Ashcroft would be good with Berra next to him but when he has to be the dominant of the pair it doesn't work very well. Better than what I've seen of Foster but probably not promotion material. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, 101 said: Ashcroft would be good with Berra next to him but when he has to be the dominant of the pair it doesn't work very well. Better than what I've seen of Foster but probably not promotion material. He'd have to be the physically dominant CH if paired with McGhee or he'd have to talk Forster through the game step by step and provide cover for him, if paired with him (Or your likely to see more of the Forster that played first game of the season against you last season). Could he competently do either of those roles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Ashcroft is a decent enough defender for this level, but he isn’t a defender that’s going to make the difference between a play-off place or mid-table mediocrity. He benefited greatly having Callum Morris beside him 2017-18. Without that guidance, he can be a bit scary. He often gets away with letting the ball bounce, I think that was down to sheer luck though. Other times he got caught out and got himself sent off a few times for pulling down the last man after making an arse of simple high balls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: He'd have to be the physically dominant CH if paired with McGhee or he'd have to talk Forster through the game step by step and provide cover for him, if paired with him (Or your likely to see more of the Forster that played first game of the season against you last season). Could he competently do either of those roles? He can chuck himself about a bit, not sure I would go so far to say physically dominant. He doesn't have the speed to cover for his own mistakes or others which is why him and Morris were so good together, Morris could cover himself and Ashcroft. So no I wouldn't sign him for either of those roles if I had ambitions of promotion - If you want to be a steady team in and around the play offs he's your man. Supirsed you didn't go in for Watson. and if you want a physically dominant CH get in touch with M'Voto, boys class. Edited July 22, 2020 by 101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubbychops Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said: What type of CH is Lee Ashcroft exactly? Is he a ball-playing type, a dominant in the air/old style CH - What's his strengths and weaknesses? I've noted before that some of you have said he's not really a 'leader' type, is that accurate? Ash's game is heavily dependent on who plays alongside him. He was solid with Callum Morris a couple years ago but change his partner and he can be all over the place at times. He had a good wee spell last season, but then reverted to looking vulnerable again from xmas onwards. Not a ball playing centre half, if on form he will win everything but it's a case of getting him to do it consistently. Not a leader on the pitch and the captaincy looked to be a weight on his shoulder when he had it. Likeable guy but you would look for better if you want promotion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Chubbychops said: Ash's game is heavily dependent on who plays alongside him. He was solid with Callum Morris a couple years ago but change his partner and he can be all over the place at times. He had a good wee spell last season, but then reverted to looking vulnerable again from xmas onwards. Not a ball playing centre half, if on form he will win everything but it's a case of getting him to do it consistently. Not a leader on the pitch and the captaincy looked to be a weight on his shoulder when he had it. Likeable guy but you would look for better if you want promotion. Just sounds like another Forster when you put it that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Just sounds like another Forster when you put it that way. He’s better than Forster but not by a significant amount. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: We're still linked but we've got defenders like that ten a penny. Jordan McGhee - Cracking CH, but slightly small in stature. Even better when someone is leading him through. Jordon Forster - Big dumpling of a CH that is a potential beast at this level as he slowly started to look when he had Berra telling him exactly what to do and when to do it. If we sign Ashcroft it sounds like he'll be another very competent CH at this level but still be the blind leading the blind. Don't worry Ludo, St Johnstone are now linked with Ashcroft. He'd be 4th choice at us so guess it depends how often he wants to play. Partick also linked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Don't worry Ludo, St Johnstone are now linked with Ashcroft. He'd be 4th choice at us so guess it depends how often he wants to play. Partick also linked. Must be Callum Davidson likes him personally because there’s no way he’s Prem level. Unless the standard is worse than ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Poet of the Macabre said: Must be Callum Davidson likes him personally because there’s no way he’s Prem level. Unless the standard is worse than ever. As I said, he'd be 4th choice for us. He'd be replacing Wallace Duffy, a kid who we were forced to play last season who saw us concede about 25 goals in 12 games. Ashcroft would likely only ever play in a back three if there was an injury. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Davidson worked with Ashcroft for a bit so will know his strengths and weaknesses. He'll surely have an idea of how Ashcroft will fit. Good luck to the guy. On a stats related note, we are currently on our longest run out of the top league since the 12 year gap between 74/75 and 87/88. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: On a stats related note, we are currently on our longest run out of the top league since the 12 year gap between 74/75 and 87/88. Fucking brutal. At least it isn't as bad as Leeds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: Davidson worked with Ashcroft for a bit so will know his strengths and weaknesses. He'll surely have an idea of how Ashcroft will fit. Good luck to the guy. On a stats related note, we are currently on our longest run out of the top league since the 12 year gap between 74/75 and 87/88. Edited July 23, 2020 by Broken Algorithms 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Only ever thought he played well alongside Morris for the season and a half he was back with us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-Star-Par Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Excellent first season with us then went stale. Devine looked the better of the two last season to be honest. Lets the ball bounce at least twice in a match. Not a massive miss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rob1885 said: Only ever thought he played well alongside Morris for the season and a half he was back with us. Yep, I'd tend to agree with this. We've replaced him with a much better player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I don't think he's as bad as some suggest, but yeah hopefully Watson is a much better player. He's won this league at least. Defence looks solid AF for the first time in a long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said: Ok. Never claimed he was going to St Johnstone. 29 minutes ago, All-Star-Par said: Excellent first season with us then went stale. Devine looked the better of the two last season to be honest. Lets the ball bounce at least twice in a match. Not a massive miss. Totally disagree. He had a couple of high profile incidents where he let the ball bounce but to suggest he did it at least twice in every single game is nonsense. I think overall he was decent for us. Had a shite spell or two. Wouldn't have minded had he stayed but it does look like Watson is an upgrade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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