Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[dave.j]

Is that Martin back to post his apology to me and start getting tore into Tedi?

[Ken Fitlike]

Rangers didn't cheat with EBT's mate, read this statement:

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/dave-king-statement-5/

Do you not think that, Aberdeen

are financially doping themselves and cheating when you consider that, Rangers are the most watched team in Scottish Football Live on TV, yet Rangers only receive like 1-2% of the total SPFL TV Money pot, and Aberdeen etc. all receive like 7% plus. Just because they are in Premiership at the mo.

In your world, no doubt the city of Hiroshima bombed the Enola Gay

[dave.j]

No it wasn't, Jum took a PIC of his local paper article and posted it on twitter, the SOS guy laughed at it and wee Jum said don't call me jum, plus took umbrage at his article being laughed at.

Is that what happened aye?

[greyman]

Rangers didn't cheat with EBT's mate, read this statement:

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/dave-king-statement-5/

Do you not think that, Aberdeen

are financially doping themselves and cheating when you consider that, Rangers are the most watched team in Scottish Football Live on TV, yet Rangers only receive like 1-2% of the total SPFL TV Money pot, and Aberdeen etc. all receive like 7% plus. Just because they are in Premiership at the mo.

Outwith the arseholes at the rangers and the Scottish media do you honestly think anyone believes a word this twat says? Its already been posted glibs contradicting statements from 2012 and the horrific piece that was released the other day. King makes Arthur Daley look like an alter boy.

Level with us, is this a parody account cos this is fucking hilarious !

[MRF-LCC-RFC]

The moral of the story is, the SPFL knew full well at the time that Rangers used EBT's, they knew and accepted the fact every season while they were in place, before waiting until many years later to try say anything about it being bad or title stripping etc.

Rangers winning the league in those periods was fully within the rules of the league every season at the time, as the SPL knew RFC used EBT's in the league during those periods.

The SPL can't change the rules of the competition for seasons that already happened many years ago, then expect to strip titles based on that.

Just like the Champions League can't strip titles more than 5 years later preposterously, neither can the SPFL.

[dave.j]

The moral of the story is, the SPFL knew full well at the time that Rangers used EBT's, they knew and accepted the fact every season while they were in place, before waiting until many years later to try say anything about it being bad or title stripping etc.

Rangers winning the league in those periods was fully within the rules of the league every season at the time, as the SPL knew RFC used EBT's in the league during those periods.

The SPL can't change the rules of the competition for seasons that already happened many years ago, then expect to strip titles based on that.

Just like the Champions League can't strip titles more than 5 years later preposterously, neither can the SPFL.

Liar.

[MRF-LCC-RFC]

Outwith the arseholes at the rangers and the Scottish media do you honestly think anyone believes a word this twat says? Its already been posted glibs contradicting statements from 2012 and the horrific piece that was released the other day. King makes Arthur Daley look like an alter boy.

Level with us, is this a parody account cos this is fucking hilarious !

That statement I linked to from King is 100% true, and all club Chairmen know that, they will be hesitant to publicly call for a Title Hunt now .. club Chairmen should listen to King's wise words to focus on moving forward for the better of Scottish Football instead of chasing a petty vandetta that damages Scottish Football. Rangers will oppose any Chairmen who don't fall in line with this view in an appropriate manner.

[mjw]

No it wasn't, Jum took a PIC of his local paper article and posted it on twitter, the SOS guy laughed at it and wee Jum said don't call me jum, plus took umbrage at his article being laughed at.

Following his timeline,that was yesterday.

The Paris tweet was today.

He must be high up the list if sos are commenting on every tweet.

[greyman]

The moral of the story is, the SPFL knew full well at the time that Rangers used EBT's, they knew and accepted the fact every season while they were in place, before waiting until many years later to try say anything about it being bad or title stripping etc.

Rangers winning the league in those periods was fully within the rules of the league every season at the time, as the SPL knew RFC used EBT's in the league during those periods.

The SPL can't change the rules of the competition for seasons that already happened many years ago, then expect to strip titles based on that.

Just like the Champions League can't strip titles more than 5 years later preposterously, neither can the SPFL.

Sorry, you've lost me. What's the moral of the story? If you smoked 60 jps a day for 30 years and got cancer the moral of the story would be 'don't smoke you could get cancer'.

The above is just gibberish. Just saying.

[dave.j]

That statement I linked to from King is 100% true, and all club Chairmen know that, they will be hesitant to publicly call for a Title Hunt now .. club Chairmen should listen to King's wise words to focus on moving forward for the better of Scottish Football instead of chasing a petty vandetta that damages Scottish Football. Rangers will oppose any Chairmen who don't fall in line with this view in an appropriate manner.

^^^^^

More shite from the bigot.

[MRF-LCC-RFC]

In your world, no doubt the city of Hiroshima bombed the Enola Gay

going by your avatar mate, I think what you said is more likely to be something that you think is happening in your own bubble world Ken.

Sorry, you've lost me. What's the moral of the story? If you smoked 60 jps a day for 30 years and got cancer the moral of the story would be 'don't smoke you could get cancer'.

The above is just gibberish. Just saying.

If you consider the facts in the statement you were replying to, all of those facts I said are 100% true, and summarise the situation. I changed it from the 'moral' to the 'summary', do you get it now?

[greyman]

That statement I linked to from King is 100% true, and all club Chairmen know that, they will be hesitant to publicly call for a Title Hunt now .. club Chairmen should listen to King's wise words to focus on moving forward for the better of Scottish Football instead of chasing a petty vandetta that damages Scottish Football. Rangers will oppose any Chairmen who don't fall in line with this view in an appropriate manner.

You're making it sound like the new world order and those who don't comply will be terminated for not complying.

Those who break the law must go back to the house of pain.

[dave.j]

Dave.J is a bigot lowlife, I hope all of the wishes he has posted online here for RFC workers to lose jobs happens to him instead.

How much of a lowlife must you be to be a thistle fan, then sign up to this forum and post that you hope everyone who works at Rangers lose their jobs. That just takes the fun zombie baiting too far to the next level and too far.

I hope your shitty team Thistle are relegated. I hope their tin can stadium collapes and never gets rebuilt. They're not a community club, they're a club for bitter wanks like you who hate Rangers. Some of it is community club but wanks like you ruin that part.

You're a sad pathetic human being Dave.J. Thistle are a club of cockroaches no wonder you envy Rangers. You do realise half the staff are old women etc. to support their families. but no Dave.J is to bitter and twisted.

Rangers do more community work than your shite team.

Ps I know people who are Thistle Youth in real life, and let's be honest that Thistle Youth is a waste of time, none of them are going to make it in the premiership too untalented.

dave.j, on 12 Dec 2014 - 18:09, said:

Any comment Martin?

[Loonytoons]

Double jeopardy only applied to criminal cases

That was clearly stated in my post.

The point was that things change; what was one untouchable can be revisited in Scots Law, it therefore could happen with this debacle.

[Insaintee]

I am convinced Tom English is one of our resident BRALT posters.

https://twitter.com/DerekMillerTime/status/665872383379664896

Just not sure which one, quite a few fit the bill

Especially like this bit

Damb Kinky's beeb outed

[Ken Fitlike]

going by your avatar mate, I think what you said is more likely to be something that you think is happening in your own bubble world Ken.

If you consider the facts in the statement you were replying to, all of those facts I said are 100% true, and summarise the situation. I changed it from the 'moral' to the 'summary', do you get it now?

What?

[Insaintee]

Rangers didn't cheat with EBT's mate, read this statement:

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/dave-king-statement-5/

Do you not think that, Aberdeen

are financially doping themselves and cheating when you consider that, Rangers are the most watched team in Scottish Football Live on TV, yet Rangers only receive like 1-2% of the total SPFL TV Money pot, and Aberdeen etc. all receive like 7% plus. Just because they are in Premiership at the mo.

Aye that settles it

[mythstoliveby]

That statement I linked to from King is 100% true

And with that statement you have won the award for the "Most Absurd Posting Ever" on this forum. Congratulations. Speech! Speech!

[Insaintee]

Gough should not imagine that Hendrik had an EBT, he should imagine that Di Cannio, Cadette, Collins, Thom and Van Hoydonkey had EBTs and stayed at Celtic park. Think what that would have done to yir 9 in a row.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Insaintee

[wulliamwallace]

I'm not quite getting the full impact of what Green's QC said in court during the week and how it translates to the perception that Rangers are a new club? He didn't say that directly did he?

This is from another blog, very interesting take on things that happened a few days ago.

Spending like the Borgias? Time to move on. Conspiracy to subvert the rules? We have a problem.....

So much happened yesterday, I’ll be as brief as possible:

New Rangers sent their counsel to the Court of Session to protest Charles Green’s contract with the club, stating it should pay legal expenses, now crystallising ahead of his forthcoming criminal trial.

In opposing Green, James Wolffe QC raised various objections, but as is often the case when people speak on behalf of New Rangers, included an arbitrary insistence that New Rangers operated the same club as the now liquidated Rangers.

Green’s QC, Jonathan Brown, put his pit boots on before stating his client’s case, but tantalisingly, before lunch informed the court that he would return to the same club/new club debate later. And didn’t he.

Brown explained that Sevco Scotland purchased the assets of Old Rangers, not the club itself, with poetic prose adding:

“The team are paid by Sevco, plat at a ground owned by Secvo, are trained by a manager who is employed by Sevco and fans buy tickets from Sevco. That is the business that is being carried on.”

Adding that Old Rangers were “a collection of assets”, “What if the players were sold to one person and Ibrox to antoher, where is the ‘club’ then?”

I had to look away from court reporter, James Dolman’s Twitter feed at this point. It was like watching an acquaintance being humiliated. Not something you want to see.

Lord Doherty will determine if New Rangers should pay Green’s costs in due course, but this will be soon, as Jonathan Brown noted, “the rainy day has arrived”.

This next bit is really important:

Soon after court ended, Dave King was out with a rambling statement on the New Rangers website. If it was designed to play to the galleries, it hit the spot. If it was designed to influence what happens to his club, or how others will regard his input, it was surely an horrendous mistake.

It was a hard day to be chairman of Rangers International FC. The court hearing only happened because the club objected to its contract with Green, so the unedifying episode could easily have been avoided.

Despite this, sometimes you have to shut your mouth.

Sure, some New Rangers fans love a bit of grandstanding, but you know what yesterday’s statement will achieve.

If the objective of the statement was to convince other Scottish clubs not to consider disciplinary action against Sir David Murray, or Old Rangers, for their actions, it was an almighty miscalculation.

Threats seldom work. This one is unlikely to curry favour: “If the history of our Club comes under attack we will deal with it in the strongest manner possible and will hold to account those persons who have acted against their fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and to Scottish football.”

In short:

Don’t threaten clubs you are trying to influence.

Don’t grandstand to your own fans if you are trying to influence other clubs.

Keep a poker face. Keep your mouth shut, even if it means taking grief from your fans for the lack of public reaction.

King’s statement also addressed the sporting advantage issue from what we now know was an unlawfully operated tax scheme. While the EBT scheme saved tens of millions of pounds, and King earlier intimated this did provide a sporting advantage, yesterday he insisted the advantage was financial, that the shareholders were “committed to providing funding to the club” and would have done so, if required.

Here’s the thing, in 2012 another King statement revealed, “I have made a claim of £20m on the basis of non-disclosure by the then chairman, David Murray, of Rangers true financial position as far back as 2000.”

That commitment to further shareholder funding seems predicated on some controversial information. According to King, of course.

Controversial enough to launch a £20m claim, but not to inhibit investment.

For the war-chest hunters among you, if you read this article covering King’s 2012 statement, you’ll find a strong clue.

http://news.stv.tv/…/299994-rangers-director-plans-to-sue-…/

One other quick but important point:

Some media are attempting to portray questions of sporting advantage as Old Rangers being punished for spending money they could afford, a travesty, as so many other clubs have done likewise.

This must surely be a deliberate attempt to misunderstand the issue and manipulate the debate.

No one suggests Old Rangers should be punished for spending money they could not afford. The questions are straightforward:

Did Old Rangers break tax law, break SFA rules and break SPL rules, when contracting football players?

Did they disclose matters openly with authorities (in other words, inadvertently make mistakes), or did they conspire to subvert the rules by hiding incriminating information?

Spending like the Borgias? Time to move on. Conspiracy to subvert the rules? We have a problem.

Don’t be distracted by potential ramifications to these questions, they are irrelevant for now. We should consider no more than did they break all of the above rules, should any the rule breaking be interpreted as an oversight, or does evidence of conspiracy to subvert the rules exist?

Edited November 15, 2015 by wulliamwallace